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Old 05-03-2005, 12:21 AM
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Count your lucky stars

A friend tells of his horrible experience with a new F350 6.0l diesel.

After 2 months of ownership it was called in for a recall, and when the tech got finished, forgot and left a nut that the turbo proceeded to eat and blow the engine.

New engine from Ford. It seems you have to seperate the cab from the undercarriage to get at replacing the engine. He has a picture of the undercarriage sitting on the ground and the cab high in the air. And you think
MB's are a problem. HA.

I'm going out now and kiss the star on my 240D...
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Old 05-03-2005, 01:15 AM
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Old 05-03-2005, 11:10 AM
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I guess common sense in engineering is a lost art these days at ford.
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Old 05-03-2005, 11:23 AM
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A lot of trucks are that way now, for some reason the bury the engine way down under the cab. The Dodge's are the worst offenders.

I don't know why they want the engine so low maybe for better handleing?
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Old 05-03-2005, 11:25 AM
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I guess common sense in engineering is a lost art these days at ford.
I honestly believe it is a case of simple economics. Why in the world spend money and time engineering something to be maintainable and rebuildable when corporate profitability is based solely on consumption of new product? If consumer consumption is the key to revenue, then engineer the product to suit fast, efficient production and to have a reduced lifespan.

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Old 05-03-2005, 11:26 AM
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A lot of trucks are that way now, for some reason the bury the engine way down under the cab. The Dodge's are the worst offenders.

I don't know why they want the engine so low maybe for better handleing?
They do this to insure that the engine moves down and underneath the cabin in a frontal collision.
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Old 05-03-2005, 11:33 AM
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The Toyota Tacoma has the engine right up top and everything is easy to get at. So does that new Honda.
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Sorry, comparing a Toyota Tacoma or Honda to a F350 is a little like comparing apples and oranges. Pickups vs. truck.

I have an older F250 with a 6.9L and during a rebuild you needed a crowbar to remove and install it. Taking 2 hours for removal and 4 hours to install, inch-by-inch by mechanics who do this often. Removing the cab may actually be quicker.
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Engineering things to be difficult to work on isn't a new concept for any manufacturer. I learned about 90% of my cuss words (and combinations) listening to my dad (30+ year indy mechanic) complain about automotive engineers. You have to remember there is usually a reason things are done the way they are, even if it isn't obvious to the poor mechanic having to do the work.
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Very well said. There are many safety systems involved in the many of these design elements that are criticized by people ignorant about them. For instance, someone just explained that the engine is positioned so low in trucks so that it falls underneath in a frontal collision instead of going into the passenger area. People who didn't know this would just say, "they were so stupid to put the engine that low." Remember, we don't know better than those engineers!!
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Old 05-04-2005, 09:04 PM
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Actually it's a case of both. Engineering results in some decisions while quick assembly time and lack of interest in making it easy to work on results in others. Engineers and manufacturers could care less how easy something is to work on once assembled. Disposable vehicles are a sign of the times.
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Old 05-04-2005, 09:35 PM
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Exclamation Avoid New Diesel Fords At All Costs!!!!!!!!

Seeing how my van just spent 13 days at the stealership(waiting for a power steering hose!!! )and has already made 7 trips there for warranty work in a year, I can't wait for the inevitable fuel injector and engine trouble to rear its ugly head. Add to that the unbelievable cost of maintenance(e.g. over $200 for the 2 fuel filters every 15,000 miles-parts only ), and I can't believe anybody is insane enough to buy them!!!
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Old 05-04-2005, 09:57 PM
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Yes, cars look alike, no individuality; walking down the street in town its aparade of jeeps, dodges, fords, jeeps, chevys, GMCs etc. Cars, because they all look alike, are commodities.

Go out and kiss the star on the hood, NOW.
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