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Old 08-12-2005, 02:23 PM
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540k! Most of the pre war MB's make ours look like tin cans.

Or maybe a Dusenburg! MB just falls short of them, but so does everyone else. Except maybe RR and Bently.

I was watching a show and Jay Leno was driving one of his Dusenburgs. I8 with a blower and a very long hood.
If you're ever in Auburn, IN, check out the Auburn/Cord/Dusenburg museum there. Those cars are impressive, big, and expensive. They also have an assortment of other cars, including a 540K, if I recall correctly.

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Glue.

Weren't the W116 cars the last ones to have the fenders glued on? I don't think they used any adhesive on the W123's, and I know they didn't on the 126. Regardless, I think the W123 cars are the hands-down winners (I am, as folks are probably starting to guess, extremely biased, though).

Let's consider density, shall we? My W126 300SD weighed in at 4750 lbs., I think. Now, my 300TD is CONSIDERABLY smaller than the 126, but weighs over 150 lbs. more. There you have it!

Jay.
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Old 08-12-2005, 06:38 PM
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Weren't the W116 cars the last ones to have the fenders glued on? I don't think they used any adhesive on the W123's, and I know they didn't on the 126. Regardless, I think the W123 cars are the hands-down winners (I am, as folks are probably starting to guess, extremely biased, though).

Let's consider density, shall we? My W126 300SD weighed in at 4750 lbs., I think. Now, my 300TD is CONSIDERABLY smaller than the 126, but weighs over 150 lbs. more. There you have it!

Jay.
That's GVWR. Add 930 lbs to an empty SD and the car will weigh 4750 lbs.
Subtract 930 lbs and you get 3820. That is the curb weight of your vehicle(includes a full tank of fuel).

With you sitting in it, and whatever stuff you carry, the wieght of the vehicle probably exceeds 4K anyway.

BTW, the wagon has a higher load capacity. Subtract 1050 lbs from GVWR.
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Old 08-13-2005, 12:22 AM
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Relative to the Duesenbergs noted above, I would have agreed until reading about this incident in the ACD website the other day. Really a sad outcome!! Links below to article and pictures......

http://www.freep.com/news/metro/crash1e_20050801.htm

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4791142/detail.html

http://www.detnow.com/wxyz/nw_local_news/article/0,2132,WXYZ_15924_3969078,00.html
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Old 08-13-2005, 12:29 AM
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Relative to the Duesenbergs noted above, I would have agreed until reading about this incident in the ACD website the other day. Really a sad outcome!! Links below to article and pictures......

http://www.freep.com/news/metro/crash1e_20050801.htm

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4791142/detail.html

http://www.detnow.com/wxyz/nw_local_news/article/0,2132,WXYZ_15924_3969078,00.html
Dammit. The kid should be charged for manslaughter.
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Old 08-13-2005, 04:52 PM
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In terms of heft, weight, and physical solidity, the W140 is above the W126.
I would put the cars in order of solidity of doors/chassis/tanklike feeling:

W126 (sedan or coupe)
W123 (sedan, coupe or wagon)
W124

The 124 is definitely a notch lower than the 126 and 123, both of which are pretty close overall. The 140 is down with the 124, perhaps slightly below it. The 140 has BULK but lacks the tanklike feeling that is the topic of the discussion. Weight/bulk does not equal a vault/tank feeling.

I'd rather be in a crash in a 126 than any other car -- far more metal between you and the outside world.

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Old 08-13-2005, 05:03 PM
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The 240D/300D IMHO were built like tanks, the fact they survive in Beruit, Palestine, Afghanistan goes to show how well built they were, I have even seen them plying in bomb ridden Bosnia and Chechnya. Most 240D and 300D sold here in India are still running, this with multiple hits to their body and massive pounding to their chassis as well.
I was in Belgium at the van de Velde MB wrecking yard (the largest one in Europe) on Thursday morning visiting the owner. A large truck and a couple of vans drove into the yard, and a bunch of Africans got out. They started speaking English among themselves, so I went over and started talking to them. They were there for their twice-yearly trip to purchase, for next to nothing, scrap engines out of wrecked European and American Benzes that van de Velde has shipped from the States to Europe. They loaded some 25 engines onto the truck and then took off, headed for the docks to load them into a shipping container for the trip back to Nigeria.

I asked them what they do with the engines -- they rebuild/repair them in Nigeria and put them into various Benz sedans and trucks, most with over 1 million miles on the chassis, to keep them going. They told me that the 123 is the best chassis, followed by the 126, for doing this. They will put anywhere from 3-5 engines in the chassis over their service life. They have very ingenious ways of servicing and repairing these engines on a shoestring. They prefer the non-electronic engines, and diesels and 103 motors are most preferred.

They also put the Benz diesel engines in other non-Benz cars and trucks as well, becuase they last longer and work better than the other makes of engines.

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Here's a photo of the truck getting loaded up with engines....

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Old 08-13-2005, 05:13 PM
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you guys are using accident survivablity to define tankness, and that is not a proper method... the w124 is about 2500 pds and the w126 is about 5000 pounds....

yes, the w124 has great crumple zones and all that but you could wrap yourself in bubble wrap as well....


Lots of people died in 55 chevys that only got little dents on the outside because they were such tanks... if your talking survivablity then talk about the survivablity of the car.... I am sure a w126 would look more like a car then a crushed can...

in the future there will be carbon fiber cars with suround air bags and the car will weigh under 1000 pounds and they will have great survivablity but they wont be tanks....

If a w126 charged a w124 at 100 mph then the w126 would still be a car after the colission.

To my knowledge, the W124s typically run around 3,500 pounds (my E500 is around 3,900, but it's heavier and has extra equipment); the 126 runs around 3,900-4,200 pounds I believe.

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Old 08-13-2005, 08:15 PM
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I know it's a gasser but with 251,000+ miles my W124 '94 wagon is a tank, a very hard working tank. She gets her oil changed 12 times a year.
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I agree with the late "Dieseling Doktor", Marshall Booth, (post #13) and I really think it is the 1981-1985 300SD that is surely the toughest Panzerwagen diesel sedan of them all.
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I got rear ended by a medium size truck on my 240D in NY, it was quite a hit and all I felt inside was a thud. My trunk and fender was damaged badly reflecting the impact. I read somewhere that the W123 was designed specifically and were meant to be driven in bomb ridden Beirut as well as the roads in Africa so I am not surprised.
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After a long time away from this board I signed on today and was refreshing my memory with some old posts and found out that our Marshall Booth has passed away, it was a sad moment, all the help and advised he provided and his dedication to diesel motoring are rarely seen, may we someday have another Diesel Doktor while never forgetting the one and only. Rest in piece.
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car looked like this when i got it, 4 days ago.

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Holy S***! What happened??

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