Diesel Giant,

I am very glad that you are so confident that you will live forever and will own your car for the same period of time.

I think Brian Carlton already responded quite nicely to your plea for a donation of R12.

Also I'm quite impressed that you have a recovery machine and have it dedicated to one refrigerant type, as the EPA requires. I'm sure that you have such a machine since you are offering to recover the Freeze 12 and put it back in the 30 pound container.

I'm sure that you know that 30 pound containers have a one way valve to prevent using them for recovering refrigerant which is illegal to do so in such containers. So, you obviously have a reclaim tank for your recovery machine. I have not seen recovery containers in 30 pound sizes, so your reclaim tank is quite rare.

I am very impressed to know that you have taken such steps to be prepared to recover your refrigerant. Just think how much R12 you could have bought with the money you put into your recovery equipment.

Have a great day,

I still don't understand. You still contend that "134a is toxic sludge," but you use a refrigerant that is 80% 134a. I'm still not following your logic.

BTW, I really am still greatful for your pictorial on the 123 a/c system.

Have a great day,

Read my pictorial more carefully! I dont have the machine. My friends shop has the recycle machine. And I would expect you to have seen that on the 3 pics of the machine in the pictorial. The machine has a recovery cylinder or course. And yes of course the 30lb cylinder has a one way valve. Why are you stating the obvious so much???

So....since I did not spend money on a recycle machine........and did not have any R-12 at the time.......I used what was available Freeze 12

Oh and again, when did I say I would live forever??? There is much to much suposition and conjecture going on here I think.

Oh and I don't know if you know this, but there are many good Refrigerant Identifiers you can use to ensure a safe recovery. IF I had a machine and was doing this for the public, I would certainly use one.

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Oh and looking back through the posts, I dont see where Brian offered me any R-12. Please clarify.

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2001 Dodge Ram 2500 141k
1979 300D 234k (sold)
1984 300D "Astor" 262k(sold)
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Brian correctly stated...as we have also said before....that we don't care what you use in your car... you are a grown person and it is your car.

The reason we post the facts about the AC stuff is for others who might read this and think that Freeze12 is a good option for their cars...
We are just making sure the drawbacks are posted... unlike what you have been doing.

I did not say that he offered you R12. I said that he responded nicely to your plea for R12.

You're right, if you're going to recover refrigerant from cars of which you don't know the history, you have to have a refrigerant identifier. If it weren't for all the bootleg use of junk refrigerants without proper fittings and labeling, there would be no need to purchase this expensive device.

Have a great day,

Hmmmm...the A/C System on my W116 is totally stock. I kept the system in a vacuum during the period of storage while the engine was out of the car. I also kept the kompressor in a vacuum.

I charged it with R-12 (I still have a license and can buy the stuff) and it gets so cold you cannot stand it for long periods.

Is this pictorial about getting Freeze 12 down to 38°F in the registers???...Bert

No, the pictorial is mostly about changing the compressor and the other parts typically needed to be changed during a/c service. It is on a 123 car specifically so it would only be generally useful for your 116 car.

The pictorial is quite good, it's just that us annally retentive folks here have turned the thread into a junk refrigerant debate.

Good luck,

So you are most concerned about the labels and fittings. Why did you just say so??


I will say it again. If I had R-12 I would have most certainly have used it, hands down. But it all apparently leaked out

It is so hot hear, and I did not want to wait to get some R-12, so I used the next best thing. I am not so sure that R-12 would cool ANY different. However I am willing to swap it to R-12 if someone will ship me 3 1lb cans.

Now that would be a real live test, to see which performs better in this application.

I also am STILL amazed at how the BG oil makes the compressor TOTATLY silent. I can feel the compressor kick in, but there no autible noise at all. WOW I am sold on the stuff.

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1998 VW Jetta Tdi 320k
2001 Dodge Ram 2500 141k
1979 300D 234k (sold)
1984 300D "Astor" 262k(sold)
Mercedes How-To and Repair Pictorials
I love the smell of diesel smoke in my hair

"It is so hot hear, and I did not want to wait to get some R-12, so I used the next best thing."

We just don't want anyone else to make such a short sighted decision... you did not use the " next best thing".. because it limits you to using your friend's shop and recovery equipment...

Find yourself on a trip to Arizona and need AC work and see what luck you have...

DieselGiant, I'm glad you had a good experience with Freeze 12.

My own experience has been poor with that product. My indy put Freeze 12 in my system, along with a new compressor and drier, etc. If the temp was 85 or less, I was fairly comfortable. Anything above that was miserable. My compressor lasted a little over a year, then broke again, $1100 down the drain. Of course, I'm in Oklahoma, with high humidity and higher temperatures.

My 2 cents......

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1982 300D
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My car had been switched to R134 when I bought it so tells the tag under the hood where the original owner had it serviced.

The R134 produces some ice cold air in mine as of yesterday and switching the dryer accumulator. I can't imagine any better performance.

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Willrev, You will be able to get your system serviced by any AC shop you drive into... since almost all cars now use the 134a....

We are just warning people that the Freeze12 is a blend which few if any shops will have the dedicated equipment to deal with...

A) It was not a "short sighted decision". The Freeze 12 will be in there as long as I don't have to open the sytem. Could be in there for years.

B) I do ALL my own work so it does not "limit" me to anything.

C) Send me 3 1lb cans of freeze 12 and I will switch. Since you have such great concern, then sending me the cans is a great trade off for you. If you don't send them to me, then it really is not THAT important to you. AS they say talk is cheap and typing is even cheaper. So if it really is so important to you, which I am betting it is not, you just like to spar back and forth with me, then send me the R-12.

D) Send me a pm and I will give you the address to send the R-12

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1981 300D 147k
1998 VW Jetta Tdi 320k
2001 Dodge Ram 2500 141k
1979 300D 234k (sold)
1984 300D "Astor" 262k(sold)
Mercedes How-To and Repair Pictorials
I love the smell of diesel smoke in my hair

I have already found your Address... and the fact that you are a dealer...
I think it is interesting that no matter how many times we tell you we don't care what you do to your particular car you keep coming back with the same tired arguement...
We only care about what others have available for information.... and with your reckless posting we are obliged to keep bringing up the truth...