Rebuilt/replacement engines 240D
 

Anyone care to share some of their sources for replacement engines? Preferably in the Northeast. My 240D met with an untimely death after only 186,600 and I'd hate to see it end this way.

Thanks for your help.

Remanufactured engines
 

Joel's in the Orlando, Florida area has probably remaned more MB's than any
one else on the East Coast.
Metric on the west coast.

Used engines ...German Potomac (either St.Augustine , Florida or Fredrick,
Maryland)

Good Morning Jeff............

There are 2 on ebay right now - One is in PA

Welcome aboard old friend!!!!!!!!!!!!


Stephen

Jeff,
I have nothing to offer/add regarding the engine however, welcome to the best MB forum in the world. Steve

not 240's but....


http://boston.craigslist.org/car/88786739.html

http://boston.craigslist.org/car/87342167.html


good luck with your search!

So what is wrong with the engine? Due to it's sleeved design and basic ruggedness, it is not very often that a 616 engine can't be rebuilt. They rebuild well and doing so gives you a fresh engine rather than a pig and a poke with one out of a junk yard dog that you know nothing about.

Good luck,

Driving at highway speeds (65 mph), something cut loose in the engine, apparently went through the driver side of the block as there is now a fist size hole... Unfortunately ignorance of what a 'normal' diesel should sound like prevented me from recognizing any noises that might spell impending doom... So the question at hand is repair or try my luck with a different car...

Rebuilt - Remanufactured questions
 

My good friend Stephen has guided me down the path of keeping my recent acquisition and now I'm asking advice / experience with any of the board members dealing with dealers specializing in rebuilts or remanufactured engines.

Thanks,

Jeff

Yeah........ He's referring to me...........

I looked over the pictures that Jeff had sent me, and then re-read the CarFax. Southern Car - Low Annual Mileage - Etc...........

So I stuck my foot into his mouth and said it was well worth bringing this beauty back to life - it's on the verge of pristine............

Jeff has been one of my best frineds for years - over 30(mumble, mumble, mumble) some odd years. I am asking to circle the wagons in an effort to find a engine for him........

Thanks Everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stephen

"Anyone care to share some of their sources for replacement engines?"

Three years ago I put a new engine in my 240D 77, the original engine passed away after about 300K of city stop & go driving.
The last place that one looks for a new motor is the MB dealer, obviously too expensive, well mine came from Houston MB dealer, complete motor from Europe $3600, (exchange w/old engine) with everything on it except AC compressor, it cost me $1500 to install it including total clutch replacement.

Vahe
240D 77/350K

Okay, since it hand grenaded as you describe, changing engines is the best way to go but I would highly recommend rebuilt over used.

Good luck,

Looks like Larry is into blanket statements today...
If you find a rusted out car with a good running engine for a few hundred dollars jump on it, drop that engine into your car...... you can drive it around while you research rebuilt engines.

Rebuilt vs. Used
 

Thanks for the information all. Seeing that I obviously have no practical knowledge in judging the quality of a used engine, what would you recommend? The oil pressure was sound on the one that grenaded and besides the 'knocking' that apparently "wasn't" normal, I thought that things were going well. What are some of the things you would check to determine whether it's worth the effort? Also would you do the transplant or let a shop do it?

Thanks again,

Jeff

If you find out what happened, let us know.

My 240D has 186,000 miles on it. While I'm not too concerned right now, it does kind of hit home, and if anyone here can learn from what you have gone through, it would be appreciated by many.

Thanks,

- Patrick

Just an update / information
 

Try to contain the laughter...

I actually made a call to the local MB dealer to inquire about the cost of:

a. installation
b. engine

What came back will follow but the interesting information is that there are, hiding in the shadows of warehouses unknown 20, "new", not refurb'd, "new" 616.912 long blocks.

Cost:
$12k for the engine
$5k for the labor....

Search continues...

Group Buy Discount???
 

Did you ask if they would be willing to offer a "group buy discount"? :D

I've come to the conclusion that Holloway just does not want to work on any older cars so they quote prices so outrageous that only (wealthy) mentally ill people would use them. They quoted me 3X the going rate for a timing chain replacement on my 560SL. Forget about them for anything but parts, their partys department is the one exception to my criticism of them. They have always gone out of their way to help me and never balk at dusting off the old parts books when I need something for one of my "classics".

It certainly seemed that way - my curiosity may lead me back to them simply to see if they have any rebuilts. Heck, I can always use the laugh I'll probably get from that...

I contacted Metric Motors for a rebuilt OM616 for my W123 and they quoted $4600 for a rebuilt engine.

How could they justify $5000 for labor to install an engine at the dealer? Would it require six people at $100 an hour an entire day to install it? Maybe it includes the cost of flying the entire shop crew to Germany to train them on engine installation :eek:

$4600??

That seems pretty steep to me.

I have a pal who badly needs an engine for his 240D. I have been able to find oversize pistons for as little as $70/ea for the 616. I have to believe that a DIY rebuild (with machine shop assistance, of course) can be done for $1500-$2000. Less if you are a tightwad and reuse valves etc.

Junkyard engines are tempting, but lets face it, most of the cars that hit the yards these days are pretty well shot, especially the 240Ds. I suppose an engine swap in a 240D is about as painless as it can get, but the odds of getting a decent one out of a yard is low. Maybe the story isn't quite the same in the rustbelt, but for my money, I'll be rebuilding my 240D engine when the time comes.

Now, the OM617s with the oil cooled pistons ($170 ea x 5 :eek: ) may be a different story.....

adsitco has them for $2695...
 

http://www.adsitco.com/category.asp?CID=297

I know some people have not recommended these but they come with a 1 year warranty and is probably worth looking into anyway. They also say to call for a price on "good used engines". Since your block is not rebuildable you would have to pay $400 more for the rebuilt one but that's a typical charge if the core is not usable.

Recon by Fire
 

The dealer who asks 17K for a "New" engine installed on a 240D is participating
in a rich FANTASY life (his).

I think NHDoc had it nailed - they want their money off the new stuff so they discourage the older model owners by producing these overly inflated repair costs.

Just and idea...

While the long block idea is great. I don't believe the metric motor engine will come with a rebuilt IP. The MB one does.

You could maybe buy an MB short block. Then it's only the head and IP to rebuild. Head should be doable. There are a couple Bosch rebuild places can do the IP.


Michael

I saw a post somewhere, but I can't remember where, that if you overfill the engine oil this can happen. Odd as hell I thought.The post had pics and everything, with a fist sized hole in the block of a 240D. The guy was plopping in another engine.So maybe this is what happened here :confused:

this guy seems to have some engines
 

Auction prices on the rise
 

Anyone else notice that the auction prices of used MB diesels has been rising quite a bit recently? It would appear that there is an increase of interest in the work horses in the stable as gas prices continue to rise.

Time to renew my efforts to find a replacement for my crippled 240D...

Opposite problem
 

I seem to have the opposite problem. I have a 1983 240D with a new motor, but the body is so rusted, I can't drive the car. I am only keeping the car for the engine. The previous owner ordered a BRAND NEW long block from the Mercedes Dealership and had it installed in the car. One year later he noticed a hole in the floor of the car and got very nervous and sold it to me. I hoped to repair it, but the floor rust is MUCH worse than I expected, and a few places I took it to told me it would be easier to find another "donor" body than fix this one.

I still have the original receipt for what the previous owner paid for the new engine. I believe the price for the engine (new) was about $4,800 and he paid another $1,600 to have it installed. I can't remember exactly. I will have to go home and take a look. The total mileage on this engine is about 13,000 original miles. It still looks new and shiny and runs like a swiss watch. It will fire up at just a tap of the key in temperatures well below freezing. It's ashame too. This car is a 4 speed with a sunroof and all options. Everything works too! I really wished I could have saved it.

I never really thought about selling it, but maybe I need to think about it. I live in Southern New Jersey.

I just picked up an 240D engine from a yard for $800. It's being delivered straight to the shop and will hopefully be installed today since the car has been sitting for 4 months! I am anxious because it's anybody's guess as to the engine's condition.

The people at the yards really don't seem like doing any work to sell their products however. Do any of you get the lazy response when you ask them to do a compression test on the engine and explain how difficult it is to do the test.... etc?

For $800 there should be some kind of warranty.... 30, 90 days or something ... you would lose your installation cost... but you should have some kind of recourse if it is really no good.. I assume you just did not mention the warranty... ?

I bought a rebuilt from adzit and am very happy. It does come with a rebuilt IP.

Opertunitly is knocking, buy the entire car from this gentleman and do the switch. Adsitco.com also sells rebuilt 616's for $3k.

people
 

you guys spend entirely to much money doing this stuff...

here is what I would do..... take notes;;;;


1. take the engine out of your car.... I would do it myself...after all its broke and what more can go wrong... go and buy an engine stand... and totally dissamble it.....ods are the oil pump is still good.... (500 dollars) ods are the 4 cylinders are still good....the head is probably still good... even if the head and block are bad there all the springs and rockers and so on are still good... get all these parts...

2. go to 4 or 5 junk yards and buy a run out diesel... 100 bucks....now go home and take this apart.....

3. go to fastlane and order head gasket set, ring set, lower bearing set, upper bearing set and seal set.... go ahead and order valve guides and valve guide seals.... (about 400 bucks) order the standard size rings and also order the piston sleves

Now, shop around for a machine shop... I use napa in louisville ky on fernvalley road...... they will charge you about 250 for the head job, cleaning, preasure testing, valve guides and seals.... (it will be brand new and perfect) Now take the block as well and all 9 pistons... they will measure out and pick the best 5 pistons, press in your new chambers, and even put it all back together for you... probably another 200 bucks....


So now you have 1000 bucks in a new engine good for 250k miles.... and you havent done anything stupid like buy 700 of new pistons or 500 dollars of new oil pump or 1200 new crank... i just met a fellow who did all the work himself and spent 3000 dollars.... (and this way you have professionals with micrometers doing the work)

:D

Greg, it turns out that the engine is supposed to have a 90 day warranty but they delivered the wrong engine. I checked with them to make SURE it had a R4 and not a York compressor and sure enough.....they sent a York. So it's back to digging. :rolleyes:

The Good : it has a normal Warranty
The Bad : they shipped the wrong engine.
Sounds pretty normal...... :(

It is sad. At least the place was nearby so they just took it back before they dropped it off. I was hoping to get the car running finally. The 240D engine supply is bone dry here in CA. :confused:

Still Thinking about it?
 

It would be a pretty hefty run and gun to get it, but I might still be interested in your 240D if it's still available.

Thanks,

Jeff

240D Engine
 

I just ordered an engine from Mercedes for my 1981 240D and it cost me $3700 including tax and was all ready to install beside the air conditioning of course. I can install them myself in about 2 hrs so that cost me nothing.

I don't know where this person came up with 12k for an engine but I have heard that some dealers only purchase them new, I think mine is a Mercedes Benz rebuilt.

Good Luck and definitely don't put a used motor in, the one you have in the car is used, if you get my drift!