be enough room for the pan to sit above the axel in a truck.

tom w

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

This is true. Especially when you consider that the aircleaner on the MB sits aside the engine, whereas on the truck the aircleaner sits on top of the engine.

Also, I am wondering if Randy may have been mistaken about his truck having kingpins rather than balljoints (?). The 87 F-150 I had had balljoints- I'm not sure exactly when they went to them but I have an impression that it was in about 1980. Not sure this matters. Not at all sure I'm correct about when the switch was made.

Kinda wish I had thought of all this before I rebuilt that Ford engine, but I'm not much of an experimenter anyway.....

Rick

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80 300SD (129k mi) 82 240D stick (193k mi)77 240D auto - stick to be (153k mi) 85 380SL (145k mi) 89 BMW 535i 82 Diesel Rabbit Pickup (374k mi) 91 Jetta IDI Diesel (155k mi) 81 VW Rabbit Convertible Diesel 70 Triumph Spitfire Mk III (63kmi)66 Triumph TR4a IRS (90k mi)67 Ford F-100 (??)

My cab is in good shape it does need some sand blasting. Other then that nothing will have to be replaced on the cab. The inner fenders are shot and the seam in the box side need some metal work. It is a real solid truck.

Chris

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85 300d 365,000mi war wagon
84 300sd parts doner, many parts for sale
90 Nissan Pathfinder 250,000+mi work horse

buyab-

Consider yourself lucky with the rust.

Just in case you didn't know there' a good website just for these trucks:

http://www.fordification.com/

Maybe I'll see you over there on Ford issues. Perhaps someone over there has thought about such a swap....
Rick

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80 300SD (129k mi) 82 240D stick (193k mi)77 240D auto - stick to be (153k mi) 85 380SL (145k mi) 89 BMW 535i 82 Diesel Rabbit Pickup (374k mi) 91 Jetta IDI Diesel (155k mi) 81 VW Rabbit Convertible Diesel 70 Triumph Spitfire Mk III (63kmi)66 Triumph TR4a IRS (90k mi)67 Ford F-100 (??)

I've seen cars with T-5 transmissions or some other 5 or 6 speed adapted behind an engine they don't belong to. A lot of turbo Volvo guys are running BW T-5's behind their turbo-4 and many "ricers" are running Supra 6-spds in a ton of stuff.

There's no reason why you couldn't adapt what's in there...but the expense of the adapter plates and spacers for the flywheel and whatever else you'll need to make it work might not be worth it when you could get the 240D 4-speed and have the same thing. Now, if it got you from a 4-spd to a 5-spd, I'd think it was more worthwhile, but 4 to 4, adapting just doesn't seem like the way to go.

But then, why not just do a T-5 with adapter behind the benz lump? Then you're all set!

http://www.aaronreedbaker.com/t5swap.html

Just for some motivation. I know it's not a Mercedes, but it gives you and idea of the process. Now, is a Mercedes bellhousing readily available? That would make things easier!!!

yes, the 240 bellhousing bolts to the 617.

tom w

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

I thought about this one a while back. Follow the links.

Fabricating an adapter plate for an engine or transmission swap, etc

Lots of great ideas guys!! The links and pics sure got my gears turning. Went out to night and took some measurments. The oil pan clearence in the 300sd is about 8" from the bottem of the rubber mount to the bottem of the oil pan. In the 69 Ford I have at least 10" from the crossmember to the top of the bottem mount. Lots of room there, 2" to spare. Here is the real kicker! It looks like the motor mounts are in the same spot on the old gas motor as the diesel. I think I have just enough room for a adaptor plate. The motor should go right in with little changes. In the past, I have been part of an effort to mate a t-5 Ford trans to a Chevy 350 in a race car. So this should be fun. So now I am on the hunt for a flywheel and clutch assy out of a 240. Anyone got this stuff? Chris

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If it isn't old. It isn't worth beans!

85 300d 365,000mi war wagon
84 300sd parts doner, many parts for sale
90 Nissan Pathfinder 250,000+mi work horse

i think i have an extra of each.

tom w

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

i just dragged the 240 flywheel up from my parts car/storage hulk and compared it to the 280sl flywheel that i bought special for my turbo stick conversion and found that the 240 flywheel must weigh at least 50 or 60 pounds and the 280 must be half that weight.

the 280 has a bigger clutch diameter but everything else is much smaller including the ring gear. the front of the flywheels appear to be the same and i suppose one will fit where the other will but i dont think you will want to use anything other than a diesel flywheel on a diesel. either a 240 or 300 (rare as the ivory billed woodpecker, euro only). the clutch disc is about 8.5".

i was also wanting a stronger clutch for the 617's torque . the 280 is larger diameter. i would check now for a clutch and pressure plate from a gwagen for 617 turbo use in the hopes that they might be stronger.

sorry for my misinformation.

tom w

ps i will weigh the flywheels if anyone is interested in a precise measure.

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Those trucks are tough and look good too! There's a link somewhere about a guy that put a 617 in an international pickup with a snow plow on the front and he said it was great. If your engine has an a/c pump you could get an old under dash a/c unit for your truck.

to know how to contact the international wild man. i would love to dieselize my 66 scout.

tom w

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Here is another link to a fun thread related to conversions.

propane + veg oil = vroom-vroom

look at the flywheels.

first, i was wrong again about the ring gear. they are all the same.

second the weight by my bathroom scales (so not all that accurate) is:

automatic flex plate:12 pounds

280sl flywheel: 18 pounds

240d flywheel: 28 pounds (although i am sure that by the time i got it up the hill from my parts car it was closer to 60 pounds).

hope this is useful to someone.

tom w

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.