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Old 08-29-2005, 05:35 AM
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farm fuel

What would be the affects of using off road fuel in the diesel other than the legal consequense?

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Old 08-29-2005, 05:39 AM
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What would be the affects of using off road fuel in the diesel other than the legal consequense?
This has been discussed quite a bit here but to make it simple...

...no effects.

The farm fuel is generally high sulfur diesel (which this injector pumps were designed for) however it may cause a slightly greater soot emission.

The high sulfur = good lubricity = less wear and tear on the pump.
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Old 08-29-2005, 03:27 PM
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I know it's illegal but I had to try a couple of tankfuls just to experiment with mileage etc. I used 2 oz. of Howe's diesel conditioner to each tank too. My mileage went up as did my power. When I went back to highway diesel fuel my mileage went back down to what it was before and so did the power. These are just my experiences maybe in other parts of the country it will be different. My part of the country is very heavy into farming. Does anyone know if the diesel fuel used in construction equipment is like farm fuel? Also I wonder what the cetane ratings are on farm fuel verses highway fuel.
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Red juice, off road diesel, would be the fuel of choice if not for the tax issue. We took it one step further thirty years ago and always insisted on #2 fuel oil (home heating oil), rather than diesel, for our farm equipment (fuel suppliers hate this). #2 has always been 10%-15% cheaper than diesel, and I can dump a can of conditioner/biocide/cetane booster into the storage tank for one hell of a lot less than that difference in cost.

Your milage and power experience is consistant with that of everyone I know who burns red juice.

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Thanks Jim. As a side note I noticed no difference in smoke either so she must be burning clean.
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Fuel waiver

I saw this on the news last night... the EPA has temporarily (until Sep. 15) waived the sulfur standards for diesel fuel nationwide. I don't think that means we can start running farm diesel in our Mercedes, but it's interesting nonetheless.

From the press release:

Nationwide fuel waiver issued to bolster fuel supplies

REMARKS BY ADMINISTRATOR STEPHEN L. JOHNSON
UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY


Wednesday, August 31, 2005

Thank you very much. Today, I am exercising my authority under the Clean Air Act to temporarily waive specific standards for gasoline and diesel fuels to ensure that the Hurricane Katrina natural disaster does not result in serious fuel supply interruptions around the country.

As we are all well aware, we are seeing increasingly serious impacts from the hurricane in a number of fuel markets around the United States. Yesterday afternoon I exercised this authority with respect to four states: Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida. It has become clear that the consequences of the hurricane have become more widespread. So today, I’m sending letters to the governors of the remaining 46 states and territories providing temporary relief from volatility and sulfur standards. This action will result in a needed increase in fuel supply.

These waivers are necessary to ensure that fuel is available throughout the country to address public health issues and emergency vehicle supply needs. Under the Clean Air Act emergency authority, I am making the waivers effective through September 15, 2005. These waivers only apply to volatility standards - the rate at which fuel evaporates - and the amount of sulfur in fuel.

EPA is committed to working with our state and federal partners to address this extraordinary national disaster.

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What would be the affects of using off road fuel in the diesel other than the legal consequense?
What about WVO, blends.

If I am running some taxed diesel in with wvo, am I legal?
18 gal of additive.
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What about WVO, blends.

If I am running some taxed diesel in with wvo, am I legal?
18 gal of additive.
that you are legal, but if it isn't dyed red you are probably safe.

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that you are legal, but if it isn't dyed red you are probably safe.

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Old 09-01-2005, 05:59 PM
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So now that they have waived fuel standards (some) are we going to have to be looking out for really crappy fuel???
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So now that they have waived fuel standards (some) are we going to have to be looking out for really crappy fuel???

Quite the opposite for diesel. They raised the amount of sulfur allowed in diesel. More bang for your buck! Now gas on the other hand less oxygenators means less bang and less fuel economy.

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Quite the opposite for diesel. They raised the amount of sulfur allowed in diesel. More bang for your buck! Now gas on the other hand less oxygenators means less bang and less fuel economy.

Got Diesel??
I figured the higher sulfur in diesel would be better but I was wondering about gasoiline.
Time to start listening for the ignition knock of cheap drivers around you
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Old 09-01-2005, 06:34 PM
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I figured the higher sulfur in diesel would be better but I was wondering about gasoiline.
Time to start listening for the ignition knock of cheap drivers around you
If they think a diesel clatters. Wait to you here the sports cars and Hemi's trying to burn that stuff. Ping, ping, ping, ping. Better yet, wait till they stomp on the gas at the green light and my 300d is passing them on the right.
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if it isn't dyed red you are probably safe.
And if it is dyed, just dump in a couple quarts of used motor oil and don't worry about it.

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