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Old 10-18-2005, 03:40 PM
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Of course you won't find well-maintained, high-mileage cars in the used car ads. They're all in our driveways (or garages) for life. People who go back and forth selling cars tend not to take as good care of them. The people who really take care of cars are the guys who intend to drive it untill it just isn't practical to keep on the road anymore or untill it just rusts to oblivion.

Oh, and everyone ragging on Caddy should take a look at a real Caddy. I've got a 1970 Sedan DeVille with a genuine Caddy big block under the hood. The car has no more general issues than a MB of similar vintage.
I have to say though that the quality of the MB door seals on my 1971 220D and just the general feel of the controlls overall is more solid than the Caddy.

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Old 10-18-2005, 03:53 PM
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Yeah bring on the competition

100,000 miles at an average speed of 139.696 mph
Record distance equal to four times around the world
Extreme endurance test for the Mercedes-Benz E 320 CDI, 30 days of
relentless, round-the-clock punishment
Proof of the outstanding performance of the diesel particulate filter
World-record run under constant FIA supervision
That really should be "end of argument." ... Let's see if it is.
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Old 10-18-2005, 04:24 PM
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Chevrolet makes great engines. A family friend owns a floral delivery service and gets 400-500,000 out of his 6 cylinder vans before needing an engine. Maintence is everything. I don't care how durable any engine is, if you don't change the oil then don't expect it to go that far.
The only thing GREAT about the SBC was the same thing that made its predecessor, the stove bolt six great. That is that they made each one for about 40 years making for plentiful repair parts availability and interchangability. They both were about the clunkiest engines built for their time. Both are adequate if maintained, but neither were GREAT.

The SBC has a too small camshaft, the early ones had too small connecting rods and a valve train system that is barely adequate without modification. The valve guides were prone to about the fastest wear of any engine I can think of. It only took them 32 years to come up with a way to keep the valve covers from leaking.

The stovebolt six, had a VERY weak bottom end due, not only to a three main bearing design, but also a TOTALLY inadequate lubrication system. It took them 20 or more years to come up with a decent rod bearing design and pressure lubrication system. In the old days (yes I'm old enough to remember them) when you saw a car coming from a distance with a cloud of blue smoke following it, the odds were VERY high that it was a stovebolt six under the hood.

The stovebolt six was replaced with a really good design in '63 with seven main bearings, hydraulic lifters, and a decent lubrication system. Then after just a few years of that, they couldn't stand it being such a good engine so they put an integrated head/manifold on it that was prone to cracking. A whole industry sprang up to fill the need for welding and repairing the cracks.

Yeah, Chebby makes great engines.

Have a great day,

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Old 10-18-2005, 05:27 PM
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Old 10-18-2005, 06:48 PM
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but they don't have the advantages over a gas engine that they used to have
how does that gasser do on "alternative" fuel like biod wvo/rug blend?
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Old 10-18-2005, 08:14 PM
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Jim,

You got me on that one. I was speaking in the context of fuel economy and engine longevity. IMHO, the gas engines have pretty much closed the gap since the demise of the carburetor.

Have a great day,
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Old 10-18-2005, 09:35 PM
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yeah

i agree with larry. but i love diesels.

that said the recent cdi diesels really are a huge advance over the older diesels like our beloved 616 617.

my 03 dodge cummins with six manual gets almost as good a mileage as my 350sdl and has double the power! it is also quiet and almost no smoke.

i have a little over 40k on it and the oil is not close to black yet. love that beast. wish they made a 3/4 scale model and a half scale too,

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Old 10-18-2005, 10:00 PM
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All this talk reminds me of an old joke:

-Do you know why rear window defrost was standard on the Yugo?

......It keeps your hands warm while you push it!

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Old 10-18-2005, 10:31 PM
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Just like I tell my wife when we climb into the Benz and I see a nice new shiny Cadillac sitting nearby........Poor SOB has lots of money but no class.

Haha...good one.
To each his own, I'd pick the Benz any day.
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Old 10-18-2005, 10:33 PM
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You get what you pay for. In 1984 my 300D cost $32,500. Back then domestic V8 powered stuff was 1/3 to 1/2 that money. MB's have always been expensive. Because they are expensive they receive all the attention and care they need and for a much longer period of time than the average domestic auto. Domestic stuff is ignored and hacked on often by the original owner and within the first 4-5years the neglect starts. So domestics get the ***** end of the stick. They are built cheaper to begin with and then neglected too. And you expect them to wear as well as the expensive and pampered MB? How does this comparison make ANY sense? I have seen too many domestic vehicles that have many miles, often 300K+ to know that it isn't just quality, its how they are cared for. Maintenence is everything. Additionally, I can buy a complete long block SBC from GM with a 3yr/50K warranty for @$1200.00 and install it over the weekend. Try that with ANY MB. There are pros and cons to anything. Drive what you enjoy. RT
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Old 10-18-2005, 11:11 PM
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It just not the engine, its the ancillaries attached to it, during the first six months of my T/A ownership, the water pump failed, the fuel pump failed, the engine would have starting troubles due to a faulty tappet install, that was enough to drive me to the trusty old MB 240D stick, least I didn't miss classes and the MB kept company with me till my Ph.D without any troubles whatsoever.
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The biggest problem with Chevy engines is that they tend to be surrounded with Chevy cars.
Any SBC lovers want a '72 280SE with a 350/700R4?

For not much more than the price of the Goodwrench motor?
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Old 10-18-2005, 11:57 PM
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Well, if it had a manual trans and were closer, I'd be interested, but...

Alternative fuels for gas are called ethanol or methanol usually... Bootleggers have known how to make alternative fuel in their backyard for quite some time

Yeah, a modern engine will go for a long time, but we'll arrive after 300+K with CLASS. If you are just looking to buy a car for A-B transportation, leave the Benz for someone who would enjoy it and get yourself a car that looks more like a bar of soap, or a suppository.
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Old 10-19-2005, 12:02 AM
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the real answer

i think the real answer is obtained at a busy red light in any city in america..
even in the mid west you will see more 1982 mercedes then you will 1982 chevys....go to ebay and count the 1982 mbs and count the 1982 buicks... i think you will find more mb's
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Old 10-19-2005, 12:20 AM
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good point

and how many of the gm cars were made in the first place? ten times as many? twenty? i am guessing a hundred times more.

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