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TX76513 · #16 10-26-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RUYSENAARS

While evacuating for Rita a few weeks ago, I asked my dad to pick up some diesel in my 5gal container so I could fill my car up. We were in Lousiana. He started filling up my container, and relized that it was Farm diesel IN the AUTO diesel pump???????? He asked the attendant, she just shrugged her shoulders. I wonder if they waived the issue due to a natural disaster,just to get fuel to where it needed to be???? Anyway, I dumped it in because I needed it. OH WELL if I get in trouble!!!!

Yes Feds waived the restricition to fill demand

UTJMAC · #17 10-26-2005, 06:41 PM

I have no clue if it's true or not, but in the operations facility I worked at, we used to think the red dye diesel did odd things to the fuel system. We always had fuel problems, but it may have just been a placebo effect and attributable to something else. Anyone else ever had problem running it? Just curious really.

GSK11740 · #18 10-26-2005, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by J. R. B.

I know what you mean. In my area they should concentrate more on busting up the meth labs and leave the farmers and ranchers burning #2 fuel alone. The farmers and ranchers have a tough enough time making it. When they do bust a meth lab they give the lab tech a slap on the wrist. When they bust a farmer burning #2 they crucify him.

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

THats a big problem here in VA too....
the fuzz have a seriously misplaced sense of priorities...

This is how I see it. The meth labs aren't taking money out of the corrupt Politician's pockets. When you run the red stuff, you are avoiding the tax and that does take money away from the Politicians, hence the priority. Just my $.02 worth.

jaoneill · #19 10-26-2005, 08:00 PM

I don't even use diesel red juice; we have used strictly unlabeled #2 fuel oil for all of our farm equipment and trucks for 30 years. Tens of thousands of operating hours (equivalent to hundreds of thousands of miles) with no fuel related issues whatsoever. I discovered, way back then, long before it was dyed, that "diesel" was priced 10%-15% sometimes 20% higher than #2 and was delivered out of the same truck that was supplying the neighbors heating oil (thats because it is the same damn thing). The only difference is what they write on the delivery ticket, and what you pay.

I can assure you that both your power and mileage will increase noticeably on the red stuff (although your sulpher emissions may increase somewhat).

pmari · #20 10-26-2005, 08:49 PM

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DIESEL FUEL DYEING
A confusing situation for both refiners and purchasers of diesel fuel has arisen because both the IRS and the EPA require the addition of red dye to certain classes of diesel fuel. However, each agency requires that the dye be added to a different class of fuel, at a different concentration, and for a different reason.
The EPA wants to identify diesel fuel with a high sulfur content in order to ensure that it is not used in on-road vehicles.
The IRS wants to ensure that tax-exempt low sulfur and high sulfur diesel fuel are not used for taxable purposes.

The EPA Requirements Originally, the EPA's low sulfur diesel regulations required the addition of blue dye to noncomplying high sulfur (>0.05% mass) fuels. But after the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) expressed concerns that blue-dyed diesel fuel might be confused with the most common aviation gasoline, which already was being dyed blue, the EPA changed the dye from blue to red.

The EPA regulations require "visible evidence of the presence of red dye" to identify high sulfur fuels intended for off-road use. In practice, this requires refiners to add a level of red dye that is equivalent to no more than 0.75 pounds/1000 bbl (ptb) of a solid Solvent Red 26 dye standard. Solvent Red 26 was chosen as the standard because it is a unique chemical available in pure form. Diesel fuels are actually dyed with liquid concentrates of Solvent Red 164 because this dye is more fuel soluble and less costly than the standard. Solvent Red 164 is a mixture of isomers that are very similar to Solvent Red 26, except the former incorporates hydrocarbon (alkyl) chains to increase its solubility in petroleum products.

Any red dye observed in the fuel of a vehicle in on-road use triggers a measurement of the fuel's sulfur content. Penalties are assessed based on the actual sulfur content of the fuel, rather than simply on the presence of dye.

The IRS Requirements The IRS regulations require that tax-exempt diesel fuels, both high sulfur and low sulfur, have a minimum level of a Solvent Red 164 dye that is spectrally equivalent to 3.9 ptb of Solvent Red 26 dye standard. This level of dye is more than five times the amount required by the EPA regulations. The IRS contends that the high dye level is necessary to allow detection of tax evasion even after five-fold dilution of dyed fuel with undyed fuel.
What fuels must be dyed and/or marked in some way?
Non-road (e.g. agriculture and construction equipment) diesel must contain a red dye to identify spills and leaks. Beginning June 1, 2006, non-road diesel is not required to contain red dye when it leaves the refinery gate and may be dyed at the distribution terminal. On-road diesel fuel must not contain this red dye.

Home Heating Oil must contain the marker Solvent Yellow 124. Because the marker is not visible, any marked heating oil must also contain a visible trace of red dye. All on-road and non-road diesel must be marker free.

didget69 · #21 10-26-2005, 11:31 PM

Virginia has fuel Nazi's?

What color should I dye my WVO?

And boneheaddoctor, you should know, living that close to D.C., that the politicians hate stealing, unless their hand gets 'greased' with some of the proceeds as well...

Hell, Virginia isn't even a state, anyway!

Virginia to me is odd anyway - in 1983, I got stopped for a disconnected radar detector that was hard mounted to the car dash - wasn't in use, power cord was in trunk, but POSSESSION was the problem! I asked the nice Trooper about a semi driving from North Carolina up North through Virginia delivering radar detectors to Pennsylvania, etc... he said possession was illegal - go figure!

Live long enough & everything gets taxed...

b.a.

BluEyes · #22 10-27-2005, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by didget69

Virginia to me is odd anyway - in 1983, I got stopped for a disconnected radar detector that was hard mounted to the car dash - wasn't in use, power cord was in trunk, but POSSESSION was the problem! I asked the nice Trooper about a semi driving from North Carolina up North through Virginia delivering radar detectors to Pennsylvania, etc... he said possession was illegal - go figure!

Funny thing that. I grew up in Va, and my father always said that while the law said you couldn't have them, that it was technically illegal for them to pass that law. I never asked him why way back when. Probably something with federal vs state laws, and the fact that a radar detector is just picking up radio waves at a certain frequency, kinda like that thing in your dash...

Hmmm, I might have to ask around up here about the red stuff. It is sold around here a bunch, but I've never seen any roadblocks or anything.
Not that I'd *ever* run it, just as a kinda survey of truckers or something like that...

boneheaddoctor · #23 10-27-2005, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BluEyes

Funny thing that. I grew up in Va, and my father always said that while the law said you couldn't have them, that it was technically illegal for them to pass that law. I never asked him why way back when. Probably something with federal vs state laws, and the fact that a radar detector is just picking up radio waves at a certain frequency, kinda like that thing in your dash...

Hmmm, I might have to ask around up here about the red stuff. It is sold around here a bunch, but I've never seen any roadblocks or anything.
Not that I'd *ever* run it, just as a kinda survey of truckers or something like that...

Technically a radar detector is a radio reciever and as such is controlled by federal law, not state law. I used to know the minute details also about 10 years ago but have forgotten them.

I seem to remember you would win but by the time you did it would have been in their possession and they would have to return it to you, but by then it would have mysteriously dissappeared or developed a terminal malfuntion in their possesion.

Not to mention the legal fees fighting it...thats what the road nazis count on...They know they won't win but they also know its not cost effective to really fight...so they will do what they do knowing they will get away with it.