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Old 11-08-2005, 08:59 AM
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What about the 190s? I really want a 2.5 and the only ones I can find are in 190s. Opinions on the safety of 190s pls.
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Old 11-08-2005, 10:02 AM
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Guy in the local club had a 190E 2.3. Got rearended by a car doing 35 who did not even see him sitting at the light. Trunk disappeared but all doors and windows opened and sunroof still worked. He was fine.
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:28 PM
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safe cars for teens

There's a guy in my neighborhood who has started both his teen sons out driving in the same 240D. It must have a bazillionn kid miles on it, but I see son #2 trundling down the street to school every morning.He seems to get more oomph out of that 240D than I ever thought possible--but I know that the acceleration is mostly noise and smoke...

Another option is to give the kid a big old panther body Fomoco sedan. That would be a Crown Vic, Grandma-quis, or Lincoln TC. There are tons of them around--they are cheap to buy and cheap to fix. They all have a 5 star crash rating. The wall street journal ran an article a couple of years ago about parents buying old police interceptors for their teenagers just because of the crash rating. I've had two of them ('92 and current '99)and they really are pretty bulletproof (no, not real bullets). There is a "cool factor" for some kids--but not for the BMW crowd. That's OK, I'm not sure I want my kid running with the Ralph Lauren crowd anyway. I'm old-school.I drove scotch tape and bailing wire specials for years--he can, too. Come to think of it, I may keep the '99 PI until he's 16....

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Old 11-08-2005, 01:55 PM
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Grandma-quis,

I can't stop laughing!
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Didn't they has exploding gas tank issues a la pinto?
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exploding gas tanks

Some earlier PI's caught on fire when they were rear-ended very hard. There is a fix from Ford on those cars. Most cars coming out of service now had the fix. It was free--though I do not know if that applies to second owners, etc. A Ford dealer could probably look up any car to see if it has the modification.
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Old 11-08-2005, 02:12 PM
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Didn't they has exploding gas tank issues a la pinto?
That was the free automatic bar-b-que option...
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Old 11-08-2005, 03:00 PM
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Yeah, that was pretty despicable of Ford.
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Old 11-08-2005, 08:26 PM
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i put my kids

all in 240s or 300 123 cars. solid, easy to maintain, great steering and brakes and not too fast. two were rear ended hard. cars totaled, walked away. the air bags and such on the newer cars are great but with five kids who can afford a newer car for them to drive? not me. i always start them out with a scruffy one cause the first year is likely to produce an accident or two. and i make them pay for the repairs if it is their fault. or if they blow the engine up from a stupid thoughtless act like putting gas in my newly rebuilt 240d... or running one for 4000 miles and never checking the oil and blowing a rod when it ran low. who can afford to turn anything in on insurance if you have nine cars and trucks insured? not me. gotta have it though. i just don't put any kid in a car that i feel i have to have collision on. period.

so no i dont think a 123 is too unsafe. those huge merican cars dont appeal to me. they are big and heavy but if they go upside down the roof crushes flat and if you are inside..... yikes! also they are junk to maintain and not mechanic friendly. i always cut my hands up working on american cars... except the old ones like my 66 scout.

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Old 11-08-2005, 10:50 PM
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I would not worry one bit about the safety of a 123 or 126 for a teenage driver. I think it's an excellent choice. Look at the location of the fuel tank, the positive action of the door latches, the huge padded section in the middle of the steering wheel, the size of the shift knob (too big to gouge an eye socket), the adjustable height seat belts in front and the three-pointers in back (10 yrs before this was the norm), and the 3500+ lb curb weight, and tell me that you don't think MB designed these cars with your utmost safety in mind. Full time AWD is the only safety advance I see missing in the 126, and that's why I also own an Audi Quattro for trips in bad weather.
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Old 11-08-2005, 11:58 PM
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Stuff like this accident that just took place in a suburb about 6 miles from my house a few hours ago....makes me glad I am driving a 126. I know the roof on my car would not have collapsed like it did on this american car!! And that was just from a deer landing on it! what about if the whole car does??

It proves even modern cars lack important safety aspects. Airbags aren't going to save you when the ceiling crushes you.....



It looks like that car was a dodge intrepid(I think thats what it is) or something....I can't tell....its scary regardless! The occupants were taken to the hospital with serious injuries but they said they will most likely be ok....
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Old 11-09-2005, 12:27 AM
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My $.02 worth. A couple of years ago, I was sitting at an intersection in my
'89 190E 2.6. A lady hit me dead head-on at about 35 mph in a GMC 4WD truck. Did $7,000.00 in damage to the 190, but as far as my injurys, nada. I immediatly got out of the car and proceded to administer an a@% chewing that would have done a USMC drill instructor proud. After I calmed down a bit, I noticed that the engine was still idling in the MB. I shut it off. After the cops got there and did their thing. (Including finding out the lady who hit me had no insurance and expired tags) I started the car and moved it out of the intersection. The damage was limited to the front crumple zone and was repaired by replacing the front sheet metal and radiator support along with the plastic pieces. It even broke the plastic spark plug wire cover. But i could have probably driven the car to the shop to be repaired, but I opted for a tow. The car was repaired by a MB authorized auto rebuild shop and now you cannot tell the car was ever in a crash. It drives perfectly well and all the lines are steaight and even. They even matched the grey pearl color perfectly. I still have the car and am having the auto transmission rebuilt in it. I plan on keeping it for quite some time.
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Old 11-09-2005, 01:15 AM
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I immediatly got out of the car and proceded to administer an a@% chewing that would have done a USMC drill instructor proud.
I feel something of this sort coming on....every day I drive to school...someone enters my lane without signaling right into the side of my car and I have to either stomp it or stop it. The horn has saved me...probably the most important safety feature...LOUD HORN!
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Old 11-09-2005, 01:53 AM
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I feel something of this sort coming on....every day I drive to school...someone enters my lane without signaling right into the side of my car and I have to either stomp it or stop it. The horn has saved me...probably the most important safety feature...LOUD HORN!
Step 1, install electric air compressor + small air tank in trunk, step 2, run pressure hose to engine compartment, step 3, install large deep horn of choice, step 4, install solenoid + switch/wires to control it for horn acutation. Final result: LOUD(er) horn.

Then again you could always just locate an electric "MB Fanfare" horn that was used in the euro MB's (its different from the ones on our diesels etc...) My friend's mom's euro 280te had one. It made you LEAP! Gah! Sounded LOUD and HORRIFYING.
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'07 E350 Wagon - 116k - dad's (OC-121,500)
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Old 11-09-2005, 02:15 AM
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Then again you could always just locate an electric "MB Fanfare" horn that was used the euro MB's (its different from the ones on our diesels etc...) My friend's mom's euro 280te had one. It made you LEAP! Gah! Sounded LOUD and HORRIFYING.
They are actaully different? Didn't know that.

Hella makes some nice horns that put out some decent noise. They come with a little air pump and all. Pretty interesting kits and you can get them 1, 2, or 3 different tones all at the same time.
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