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Old 11-16-2005, 11:51 PM
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i would say

that 8 out of the 10 123 240s i have had (aprox) had two mirrors. so the second mirror is out there if you want one.

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Old 11-17-2005, 12:31 AM
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that 8 out of the 10 123 240s i have had (aprox) had two mirrors. so the second mirror is out there if you want one.

tom w
The 83s even have an electric mirror if you want to be real fancy.
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Old 11-17-2005, 01:12 AM
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Smile Safety of Mercedes

As the night electrician for the City of Las Vegas, working on street lights and traffic signals, I have responded to 100s of accidents with Metro Police and know for a fact Mercedes are the safest cars in the world, period! I bought my wife a used 2000 C-230 Compressor to get her out of our 1991 Honda Civic. Ask our Mayor, Oscar Goodman, he was involved in a serious accident in his wife's S-500. Totalled the car, but he was un-injured. He was not wearing his seatbelt! The few Mercedes I have seen in accidents protected the occupants extremely well. My first car was a 1965 190D, I put
over 300,000 miles on the car as a teen/ early 20s. Diesels are great for teen drivers, hard to speed and get crazy in a Benz Diesel. I recommended a 300 Turbo Diesel to a good friend for his teen daughter. You don't have to pace the floor every weekend night the kids are out cruising, if they wear their seat belts, they will come home in one piece. All cars are safer, in large part to Mercedes research on vehicle safety. My 1972 280SE was far safer than my 1986 Toyota Truck or our 1991 Honda. BMWs are excellent too!
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Old 11-17-2005, 01:29 AM
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I love these topics about auto safety, because I have been studying it for years now. Safety has always been a #1 priority when I look for a car and have found these sites very useful:
http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/default.aspx
and
http://www.safercar.gov/
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http://www.nhtsa.com/

I feel its not that the 240D/300D is an unsafe car structurally, but I think it got this rating because of seat belt performance. Also- remember these tests are like the car hitting one identical to it. One thing to keep in mind about crash test ratings (the full-frontal NHTSA tests) is that they do not rate how well a car held up in a crash, but how much injury was inflicted on the passengers. Now in most cases, if a car performs poorly structurally, chances are that it will also cause increased injury to the passengers, but not always the case. I have seen cars with minimal damage rate low, because perhaps the seat belts in that car were not effective. Now the IIHS (off-set) tests also factor in structural integrity of the passenger cage. These tests really did not start up until 1995 or so. They are much more demanding on a cars structure and is the type of crash that can cause the most injuries to the passengers. Most cars made now rate high in the IIHS tests, but that was not the case 10 years ago. These tests have made the automakers want to improve and they indeed have.

Back to the older Mercedes. That rating for the 84' 300SD is for the airbag equipped model. Structurally, this car did extremely well. The reason it did not get "5 stars" in the NHTSA test is that back then, the airbags were powerful and that caused a little more pressure on the dummy inside the car- hence the "3 star" rating. I think this was also the case with the 90-93 190E.

I think that the non-airbag equipped 81-85 300SD (or any S-Class) would easily rate 5 stars for the driver. It is no suprise that the 81-91 S-Class Mercedes are built like tanks and have advanced safety features.

If I recall, the 85 BMW 318 2dr had the LOW rating, because of poor seatbelt performance. Its pretty common for the 3-Series to rate low in these tests. Even the early 90s 3-Series BMW's rate low. There was even a recall for something like the steering column not absorbing energy or something to that effect.

I do not think I would say that a 90' Miata is safer than a 80' 240D. Remember, the tests are like hitting an identical car.

Here are some the latest IIHS results of some of the newest Mercedes:
01-06 C-Class: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=205
03-06 E-Class: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=177
00-02 E-Class: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=31
97-00 E-Class: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=74 (this one was a bit glum, especially for a Mercedes)
99-05 M-Class: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=124

As you can see- they had good ratings, which is the case for most 05-newer cars now.

Just a few examples of EXCELLENT performers:
05-06 Buick LaCrosse: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=235
01-06 LExus LS430: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=209
02-06 Toyota Camry: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=153
97-01 Toyota Camry: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=69
05-06 VW Jetta: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=231
03-06 Honda Accord: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=166
03-05 BMW 5-Series: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=199
00-05 BMW 3-Series: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=16
01-05 Honda Civic: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=34
05 Ford F-150: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=192

Here are some examples of POOR/marginal performers:
96-05 Chevrolet Astro: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=66
97-05 Chevrolet Venture/Pontiac Trans Sport: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=67
97-04 Ford F150: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=7
95-99 Dodge Neon: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=84
99-02 Daewoo Leganza: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=13
94-99 VW Jetta: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=83
99-02 Saab 9-3: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=116 (acceptable)
95-04 Chevrolet Blazer: http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=54

Drive safely!

its a big ole quote, but this is just about the best information ive ever read on this site(most important, i'd say)this is exactly why leon has sat parked since i bought the shlomo car.

my sister has a pin in her knee and broke all the toes on her foot when she and my mother wrecked my mothers neon. the good thing being that she was pregnant and due any day and was not wearing her seat belt!

this is exactly the reason i do not drive my leon as much as i used to. i have had a number of accidents in it, but none of them serious(i kissed the ass of a 1980s buick going about 35mph, everyone was fine) enough to injure me. it was the last speeding ticket that put me into the 240 on a daily basis! damn theyre expensive.
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Old 11-17-2005, 07:14 AM
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To those of you who are concerned about the 240d not having enough onramp power for my daughter; and I "should have bought a 300d". Here are the facts.
#1.My daughter's circuit of travels don't include freeway onramps or freeways period. Even though I thought the car was quite adaquete on the highway with the 4 speed.
#2.Here in the Ozarks there isn't any selection of used Merdedes beaters. You take what you can get. I would have preferred a 300d turbo.
#3. This 240d is a training car for a totally inexperienced driver; not a permenant car.
#4.She bought it for $450. It has tons of cool factor. Need I say more?
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Old 11-17-2005, 07:33 AM
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The 83s even have an electric mirror if you want to be real fancy.
Yup....mine's an '83. Mirror is frozen in one spot though. Doesn't matter...right where I need it anyway.

Cheers,

Bill
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Old 11-17-2005, 12:33 PM
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To those of you who are concerned about the 240d not having enough onramp power for my daughter; and I "should have bought a 300d". Here are the facts.
#1.My daughter's circuit of travels don't include freeway onramps or freeways period. Even though I thought the car was quite adaquete on the highway with the 4 speed.
#2.Here in the Ozarks there isn't any selection of used Merdedes beaters. You take what you can get. I would have preferred a 300d turbo.
#3. This 240d is a training car for a totally inexperienced driver; not a permenant car.
#4.She bought it for $450. It has tons of cool factor. Need I say more?
My thoughts exactly
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