I know for a fact there are some dumarses down here but I can't say I have met many that are that stupid.

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Damn right. Why would you want to move from the south to new york and this is from a damn yankee! Long term solution to energy problems. Drill and build nuclear power plants(fission then hopefully fusion one day). Until then politicians will come up with lame but politically popular ways to pretend they are fighting polution(ban diesels, prevent modernization of polluting power plants(thank goodness the Bushies stopped that lame EPA reg). Technology and supply are the long term answers. Biodiesel is a nice idea but plants are relatively inefficient at turning sunlight into power(solar farm would be better). BTW if someone wants me to drive a new cdi for 7500 miles I will gladly pay for the diesel (as long as the owner pays for the rest).

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Retired: 92 300D 2.5 T 345K miles and for sale
Retired: 95 E320 157K miles and currently parked with blown engine

Both retired cars are for sale as is my w124 shop inventory

phidauex brings up some good points regarding energy investment and return...
but, it is important to remember any investment in new energy production must be made long before current fossil fuel supplies run low...
it is not simply a matter of switching to coal or shale...
unfortunately, this does not seem to be the current trend and alternative energy growth today is slow...

regarding the original topic:
it's unfortunate that a small sector of fuel efficiency concious consumers are penalized while other groups with more leverage are largely ignored...
the amount of passenger diesels must pale in comparison to the trucking industry...

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this is hilarious.. people actually still behind our dictator of a president supporting non-renewable resources and anti-environmental regulation? did you see the corruption of the oil execs yesterday? do you know that this administration has turned back 40 years of environmental progress, and now has set the all time trade deficit record? this is as incompetant as it gets.. might as well just eliminate public education and step up our oppression of the rest of the world, that will definitely end terrorism.

maybe if we simply continue to take our diesels, and run them on ANY renewable veg oil (rapeseed/soybean, peanut, hemp) people might emerge from their petreoleum addicted ignorance, and resolve our dependence and create a new top commodity in the world.

as the genius of rudolph diesel intended..

Between 1911 and 1912 he stated:

"The use of vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today. But such oils may become in course of time as important as petroleum and the coal tar products of the present time."

"The diesel engine can be fed with vegetable oils and would help considerably in the development of agriculture of the countries which use it"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Diesel

Oh hell... I see this is turning into a political thread, I'd better steer it back.

Stupid rule, you still can't stop them from bringing in used VW TDIs which pollute just as much as new ones.

Speaking of TDIs, is it true that they'll stop importing them to the US in a few years?

-Joe

P.S.

You see, people have these things called jobs, and sometimes, they have to move when the job relocates them, they've gotta go.

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Sooner or later every car falls apart, ours does it later!
-German Narrator in a MB Promotion Film about the then brand new W123.

Anyone want to bet $5 Brian deletes this thread if it goes much further?

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If he is going to delete the thread we may as well go out in style.

I have been driving the '81 300D for awhile now (since the oldest son has been locked up anyway) and have not purchased gasoline in a long time. Well, anyway, the other day I was going to the store to get some more beer and the wife asked me to take her car (Honda CRV) and put some gas in it and she hands me $5 (this is when gas was $3.25/gallon around here). Anyway, I get to the store, park at the pump and get the beer and pay for it and then tell her I want some gas. I hand the clerk the $5 and she farted and handed me a receipt.

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yeah sorry about that.. got a bit carried away there.. but you get the idea.

My cousin goes through his stupid routine every day of putting $3-$5 worth of gas in his car. I don't understand why people do that, just fill the freaken thing and you won't have to waste your time at the pump every day.

I was original told that CT would be one of the states that didn't sell new diesels. I have seen a couple E320CDI's sitting on the local MB dealers lot so I guess that isn't true. MB seems to be willing to expand their diesel line up, I am hoping the new W221 gets a diesel in this country.

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When are we going to figure out that early twenty-first century America really needs to be divided up based on locale? Legislation that makes sense in rural America don't always make sense in Urban America and vice versa. Personal vehicles in large urban areas are quite silly. High population density makes it economically feasable to have public trans...good public trans. If everyone in Chicago drove a biodiesel VW, CO2 emissions would increase over the current amount. Think of the nitrogen oxides and aromatics!!

That's not to say that burning biodiesel is bad. That is saying that 5 million Chicagoans burning anything will create an environmental crisis. Electric transportation makes sense when you can stay tied to lines (like in dense metropolitan areas) or you're in mountainous regions and the torque efficiency is very advantageous. Electric cars are great when you only need to drive <30 miles per day. Solar arrays, wind, etc are great ways to produce low impact energy for metropolises.

Now if you're in out in Eastern Oregon, where your nearest neighbor is that 175 head of Angus, burning a little biodiesel is not going to hurt anybody. Running a bus line out there makes no sense and your 30 miles in a Smart car might get you to the mailbox and back. A lot of those aromatics and nitrogen oxide will biodegrade and disperse before anybodys lungs get exposed to them

It is unfortunate that places like New York and California are wholesale banning diesel technology in passenger vehicles. The hypocrisy of allowing personal Hummers is so blatant its laughable. But the idea of trying to curb emissions is vital. Let's throw out the bathwater (criminalizing the use of biodiesel) but let's keep the baby (trying to reduce total emissions.)

I love shooting guns (44 Winchester, Ithaca 16 gauge) on my folks farm in Missouri where the coyotes and coons can get fat off of the chickens in the south pasture, it's a good time and we need those chickens. But I'll never understand why here in Portland Steve next door needs his .44, his .357, or his 9mm automatic. Security it certainly is not.

Different places need different laws. But in America, everybody has to be equal and treated the same.

Sustainability.

Well.... got my 04 TDI Passat last year with 4,000mi on it from a chevy dealer in CT. I told them they may have a problem getting the car registered in NY. The saleman laughed and said no problem. I drove on their dealer plates for 3 weeks until my rege came through. Says right on my Rege; type of fuel...Gas I've had no problem with inspections and have not had it corrected. I see no reason to.
BTW there is another loophole in the law. If your car happens to breaks down in a State that sells TDI's and it is irrepairable, you can replace it with a TDI.

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2006 CLK 500 coupe Capri Blue on Grey (zoom,zoom)
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How to eliminate oil dependency through market-driven approaches.
“We could cut oil use in half by 2025, and by 2040, oil use could be zero,”
The Sound of Diesel Speed
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[QUOTE=rudolphgreen]this is hilarious.. people actually still behind our dictator of a president supporting non-renewable resources and anti-environmental regulation? did you see the corruption of the oil execs yesterday? do you know that this administration has turned back 40 years of environmental progress, and now has set the all time trade deficit record? this is as incompetant as it gets.. might as well just eliminate public education and step up our oppression of the rest of the world, that will definitely end terrorism.

maybe if we simply continue to take our diesels, and run them on ANY renewable veg oil (rapeseed/soybean, peanut, hemp) people might emerge from their petreoleum addicted ignorance, and resolve our dependence and create a new top commodity in the world.]

Huh? Bush a dictator? He can't even push through drilling in Alaska or off-shore! But then shortage of supply is what our goal is isn't it? We wouldn't want to destroy millions upon millions of acres of permafrost. Those oil rigs use a lot of land!

Corruption of Oil Execs?...These companies provide a product we consumers vote for with our foot..and love it! Energy is FREEDOM! Don't like the companies or the product, boycott them and you may drive hybrid electric, peddle, walk etc. Our consumer driven market provides what consumers want. China in ten years will use what the world uses today. Where will we get our oil when they're gobbling it up and imagine the pollution!

"Petroleum addicted ignorance"?...Cheeesh! As reserves become more expensive to bring out of the ground over several hundred years prices incrementally rise to make alternative resources more economically desirable and possible. Thats how we went from wood to coal to whale oil to petroleum oil, to nuclear power. How did we do this without a smart government bureacrat telling us to?

How bout that Energy Department which was created in the 70's to reduce dependence on foreign oil. Trick question: How much energy do you think we consumers receive for billions of dollars the Energy Department spends each year?? Not even a peep to congress about that from our all-knowing watchdog news media. And how less dependent on Foreign oil are we today as a result of this wonderful government bureacracy? Lets get incompetence and corruption tagged correctly?????????????????????

Yes we would be much better off without a government education system which dummies our children and is destroyingthe American culture The government education system would collapse without forced subsidies from taxpayers and those who don't use system. Parents would pull them out in droves if they had choice. Government schools serve themselves not the public.
Have a great day! -Tom

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'96 C220 138,000mi, '95 E300D 239,000 mi., '87 300TD 214,000mi '88 6.2 Turbo Diesel Chevy Conversion Van 253,000 mi.

I can't beleive it hasn't been said:

New diesels are not for sale in some states (four?) because they do not meet those states' standards for particulate emissions. They don't have a law that says "no diesels." Maybe with ULSD this will change.

EDIT- It is particulate emisions that corrilate highly to cancer. Not CO, CO2, or NOX.

Hey..I know they didn't teach this in Harvard but the President isn't responsible for trade deficits...........its Businesses and people that do business with them like WALMART that casue trade deficits...

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1971 280SE W108
1979 300SD W116
1983 300D W123
1975 Ironhead Sportster chopper
1987 GMC 3/4 ton 4X4 Diesel
1989 Honda Civic (Heavily modified)
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