Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 11-29-2005, 10:11 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Kansas City, MO, USA
Posts: 1,213
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTUpower
I don't believe it's really that tough to get a car to look nearly brand new in photo's or in real life. If you start with the right car you could get it to look like that in a month or less. How much does a pair of new immigrants cost full time? And don't go bonzo on me, I've lived all over the world and two of three sons + my wife are from south of the border.
Several parts of the car shown in the pics would cost way too much to restore to that condition. There are pics showing the wheel wells which are still brand spanking new, the entire engine bay alone, along with the plastics there would cost over $3000 to restore to that shape in parts only. The leather interior isn't cheap at all either. I say easily $10,000 before any discussion of labor is brought into the equation? So what's with living all over the world? Who cares?

__________________
1999 Mercedes-Benz S600, 103K miles - garage queen
1988 Mercedes-Benz 560SEL, 89K miles - daily driver
2007 Hyundai Sonata Limited, 31K - daily driver
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 11-29-2005, 10:20 AM
Ra_ Ra_ is offline
machinery mangler
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: The Florida Keys
Posts: 506
In my opinion, that car is both in new condition AND detailed.

I highly doubt that he decided to stop the auction to sell it to the high bidder.
He may have accepted 30K or so, off of eBay, to avoid the fees?

It may be 10 times what that car would cost in 'very good' condition...
but there is a steep premium applied to vehicles with that kind of mileage and condition.

Even a '69 Chevy with a comparable pedigree could bring that much.
__________________
'87 300SDL

dieselbenz
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 11-29-2005, 10:31 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,182
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra_
In my opinion, that car is both in new condition AND detailed.

I highly doubt that he decided to stop the auction to sell it to the high bidder.
He may have accepted 30K or so, off of eBay, to avoid the fees?

It may be 10 times what that car would cost in 'very good' condition...
but there is a steep premium applied to vehicles with that kind of mileage and condition.

Even a '69 Chevy with a comparable pedigree could bring that much.
Some 69 chebbies bring more $$$
__________________
82 300D....went to MB heaven
90 350 SDL....excercising con rods
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 11-29-2005, 11:48 AM
Stressed Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Florida Big Bend region
Posts: 721
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra_
I highly doubt that he decided to stop the auction to sell it to the high bidder.
He may have accepted 30K or so, off of eBay, to avoid the fees?
A deal outside of the auction is the scenario that first came to my mind. It's very common, especially with cars, for a seller to specify that an item is available "subject to prior sale"; eBay doesn't seem to make a big deal out of it.

Vehicles on eBay Motors are not subject to a "final value fee" based on the selling price, either. It's only a $40 "Transaction Services Fee". He'd be avoiding a fee, but I don't think that would be the primary motive for such a deal.

I would guess that it would have more to do with a motivated buyer who doesn't want to mess about with the whole "eBay thing". It also might be a little more complicated than simply, "I'll pay you $XXXXX for the car". It could be something more along the lines of, "Here's a deposit, and here's the balance to be paid only after a satisfactory inspection by individuals chosen by the buyer".
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 11-29-2005, 12:00 PM
Hatterasguy's Avatar
Zero
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Milford, CT
Posts: 19,318
Bringing a car back from an ok driver to that condition would cost $30k-$50k if done right. Just details like the wheel wells and undersides alone would cost thousands. The engine would have to be torn down and all parts painted to MB spec. It is possible to clean a daily driver enough that with a little work and a few grand it will look pretty close to that car. But once a trained eye starts really looking at it, pokeing holes in it would be simple.

For example in MTU's pic that yellow plastic part on the throttle links would need to be changed. Also those vac lines don't look stock. They would need to be changed to whatever the car left the factory with.

Restoring a car back to 100 point show condition costs tons of time and money. Thats why examples like that 300SD are so tempting and sought after. I can see paying mid teens for that car, but not any higher. It isn't rare enough to justify the buy it now price.
__________________
1999 SL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 11-29-2005, 01:10 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Reno/Sparks, NV
Posts: 3,063
Am I the only one who would consider buying a car like that for under $20K and just drive it and cherish it like a normal new car? It's like going back in time and buying a new MB diesel, then bringing it back to the present. I think that would be neat.
__________________
2004 VW Jetta TDI (manual)

Past MB's: '96 E300D, '83 240D, '82 300D, '87 300D, '87 420SEL
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 11-29-2005, 01:15 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Kansas City, MO, USA
Posts: 1,213
Except back in time when the car was really new (this one just looks new, it is not new) it didn't have old dry seals and gaskets that could, actually, that WILL start leaking once you start to drive it on a daily basis. What I would like to do, in line with your thought, is to get a W126, send it to the MB Museum for complete restoration and then drive it daily - now that will really be like driving a new MB back in the 1980s - early 90s.
__________________
1999 Mercedes-Benz S600, 103K miles - garage queen
1988 Mercedes-Benz 560SEL, 89K miles - daily driver
2007 Hyundai Sonata Limited, 31K - daily driver
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 11-29-2005, 01:35 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Reno/Sparks, NV
Posts: 3,063
Yeah I know the maintenance would be more involved on this car than on a new Toyota or something. I'd still need to change all the fluids and probably a lot of rubber parts, but after that it might be like driving a new MB from the early 80's.
__________________
2004 VW Jetta TDI (manual)

Past MB's: '96 E300D, '83 240D, '82 300D, '87 300D, '87 420SEL
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 11-29-2005, 01:38 PM
t walgamuth's Avatar
dieselarchitect
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Lafayette Indiana
Posts: 38,632
your engine looks great

but you might want to lock up you locknuts on that linkage.

tom w
__________________
[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 11-29-2005, 01:41 PM
Hatterasguy's Avatar
Zero
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Milford, CT
Posts: 19,318
Well after changing every hose, every rubber suspension part, and a large chunk of the engine and trans seals. Then I guess it could be a pretty reliable driver. The first year would be very hard and expensive though.

The downside is after running 100k on it you are pretty much kissing $35k good by. Although by running 100k on a new S430 you are doing about the same as well. I guess if you look at it in terms of a 2006 S430 or this 1979 300SD the numbers work out about the same.

I wonder how much it would cost to have the MB classic center restore say a rust free yet tired CA 560SEL? For arguments sake lets say it costs $50k. Hmm new S vs classic yet new S, interesting thought...
__________________
1999 SL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 11-29-2005, 02:13 PM
Craig
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hatterasguy
Hmm new S vs classic yet new S, interesting thought...
I'll take the old one every time, but it would be a shame to turn a very low mileage car into a driver. For more like $10K you should be able to find 50-100K mile driver almost as nice (still better than a new one, IMHO), and I wouldn't feel bad about using it.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 11-29-2005, 02:24 PM
Gil's Avatar
Gil Gil is offline
Registered Offender
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: NH
Posts: 306
nice, but

...is a W116 really THAT collectible? The car probably sold for less than what he's asking for when it was new. If it were a collectible model, I could see the price increase, but he's a little strong here.

I've seen people asking stupid amounts of money for near-new cars, but if it's not a particularly rare and desirable model in the first place, who's gonna buy it? Sounds like the guys who were asking 30k+ for Dodge Spirit RTs when they first came out - fast, rare, but built like crap and never even found in the pages of Mopar enthusiast magazines.
__________________
Gil

2004 ML350
1984 300CD; Ivory (sold)
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 11-29-2005, 02:31 PM
Craig
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gil
...is a W116 really THAT collectible? The car probably sold for less than what he's asking for when it was new. If it were a collectible model, I could see the price increase, but he's a little strong here.
I would guess $20-25K is closer to reality, but you can't blame him for trying. Maybe he's just fishing to see what he can get.
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 11-29-2005, 03:41 PM
greasybenz's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 2,082
Quote:
Originally Posted by braverichard
Several parts of the car shown in the pics would cost way too much to restore to that condition. There are pics showing the wheel wells which are still brand spanking new, the entire engine bay alone, along with the plastics there would cost over $3000 to restore to that shape in parts only. The leather interior isn't cheap at all either. I say easily $10,000 before any discussion of labor is brought into the equation? So what's with living all over the world? Who cares?
unless of course he went to tijuana mexico were you can get the seats redone for cheap and look like real good quality. take a look at these seats done in mexico.
Attached Thumbnails
this for real?-18_12.jpg  
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 11-29-2005, 03:44 PM
boneheaddoctor's Avatar
Senior Benz fanatic
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Hells half acre (Great Falls, Virginia)
Posts: 16,007
Quote:
Originally Posted by greasybenz
unless of course he went to tijuana mexico were you can get the seats redone for cheap and look like real good quality. take a look at these seats done in mexico.

THats a mighty long drive to make for many of us however.....

__________________
Proud owner of ....
1971 280SE W108
1979 300SD W116
1983 300D W123
1975 Ironhead Sportster chopper
1987 GMC 3/4 ton 4X4 Diesel
1989 Honda Civic (Heavily modified)
---------------------
Section 609 MVAC Certified
---------------------
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page