I'm no saint, but is the implied cursing necessary? - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

boneheaddoctor · #31 11-30-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDon

i just use the german equivelant since noone around me know what i means

I work with guys...no women here....they would laugh at this thread.....

You have to be thick skinned to work around these guys.

#32 11-30-2005, 01:55 PM

Well, this tread has generated the predictable results.

Seriously, there is no "bad language" that is going to offend me, or that I haven't been hearing (and using) since elementary school. Personally, I find the whole concept of "bad words" a little silly (with the obvious exception of derogatory names directed at people or groups). However, I try to refrain from using such language unless I'm sure everyone present is going to be comfortable with it. I have also found that it is much more effective when used sparingly. I generally refrain from using this language in public forums because it is likely to offend someone, and I have no interest in offending others. That said, I do not feel it is my place to tell others what to do. If others chose to express themselves in that manner, that's their business and I'm not going to be the one who tries to censor them.

#33 11-30-2005, 02:21 PM

George Carlin said it perfectly:

"There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of those words in and of themselves. Their only words. It's the context that counts. It's the user. It's the intention behind the words that makes them good or bad. The words are completely neutral. The words are innocent. I get tired of people talking about bad words and bad language. Bull****! It's the context that makes them good or bad. The context. That makes them good or bad. For instance, you take the word "N----r." There is absolutely nothing wrong with the word "N----r" in and of itself. It's the racist a-hole who's using it that you ought to be concerned about." -edited fot "content" by me.

300DPETE · #34 11-30-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by softconsult

In my opinion it boils down to this. Some people take the position that nothing we do should really matter. There are no rules. Examples, would be people that either don't care about style, or manner of dress. They can't understand why this can have consequences. It has been proven that first impressions of someone are formed with seconds of meeting them. For example, not wearing a coat and tie in a work environment where that is the norm. Or, for that matter, vice-versa. Vocabulary and education is another area ripe for rebellion.

When you write words in a public forum , like the Internet, readers form opinions about the writer. It goes both ways. The posters who never learned punctuation, grammar, even capitalization, no doubt form opinions about the people who have mastered these elementary communication skills.
The people who did learn those skills, instantly reach a conclusion about the educational level of the writer.

Maybe it's no worse now then 25 years ago, but something tells me it is worse. We are getting our economic butts kicked by societies that are rapidly becoming smarter than us.

Politically correct, I'm not. I stand ready for the responses accusing my of being an arrogant you know what.

Steve

Okay, Steve. I'm not completely disagreeing with you here, BUT...

When I moved to D.C., I had to adjust a bit to the strict dress code that permeates many organizations (not all, I often see Congressional staffers in flip-flops, etc., when representatives are not in town). When I was on assignment on the west coast (Seattle), I walked into my first meeting with the regional office in my D.C. attire and found myself sitting among t-shirts and jeans. Well, let me tell you...our regional office in Seattle kicks butt. There's no better office for dealing with our issues then that crew.

I'm not saying that it isn't courteous to dress professionally for clients, etc., but the proof is in the pudding and means more in the end. There is some truth to what you say, but I don't believe it's as paramount as you suggest...rather it's marginal.

As to vocabulary....I often type so fast on these forums and I'm half awake (maybe with a couple of beers in my system), that I often make spelling and grammar mistakes. I would never sumbit writing like that on the job, or if I did I'd be rewriting it immediately upon it being passed back.

I guess what I'm saying is that some judgment by way of perception can be a good thing, but too much can make you miss the value of people and their ideas, ironically rendering your initial judment moot. Yes, it would be a better world if people communicated more succinctly, and didn't obfuscate their message with poor grammar, and yes it would be nice if people showed showed more respect in their attire--but concurrently, it would be a FAR better world if people were more concerned about the inner-value of each other and judged themselves before judging others.

My two cents.

Pete.

#35 11-30-2005, 03:04 PM

Well at lest we don't use words like "spark plug" or Renault around here.

#36 11-30-2005, 03:11 PM

Well at least we don't use words like "spark plug" or Renault around here.

75mercedes07 · #37 11-30-2005, 03:16 PM

personally i have different feelings about this issue. but one i stand firm on... if people dont want others to say "g*d d*mn it" or "f*ck" than those accusing shouldnt say "gosh danget" or "fricking" its the same thing. so either you have to do with it all, or just except it.

rg2098 · #38 11-30-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 300DPETE

...I doesn't bother me too much, but luckily, there's probably not a whole lot of 10-year olds browsing this site, and lord knows what the 16-year olds are browsing, certainly not a site about old diesel cars

Pete

Certainly we browse and contribute to sites about old diesels, but let me tell you this place is much cleaner then the halls of high school.

softconsult · #39 11-30-2005, 04:59 PM

Pete, I think you missed my point. If you re-read what I wrote about style and dress, you will notice the next sentence which says," Or vice-versa.
I was trying to point out that the behavior where some people feel the need to do the opposite of everyone else is doing. I think the profanity is an attempt to stand out and be noticed. I can tell the difference between occasional typos and borderline illiteracy.

I am clearly not prudish, not even religious, but to me the need to use profanity in a public forum is just says something about the poster. It's exactly the same way I feel went out to eat at a restaurant. Two young guys or girls at the next table using language that is offensive to the other people around them. In my experience it's mostly teens to 20 somethings.
They don't give a rip who hears it. Parents with young kids, older folks, religious folks. I mean it is just plain rude. I feel embarassed that people are being forced to hear this stuff.

To me a forum like this is just like the restaurant. Do what you want in private. In public, behave like you are in public.

Steve

300DPETE · #40 11-30-2005, 05:03 PM

Point taken. I guess I'm a little bit sensitive about dogmatic dress codes :-)

Pete.

WANT '71 280SEL · #41 11-30-2005, 05:51 PM

You can do what I do...avoid those threads. Any thread that has all the #(*@&$ stuff in it I skip right over. To me excessive cursing is indicative of a poor vocabulary or lack thereof. They can put whatever they want in the titles but I've read that the senior members here skip over them often as well, so, live and learn. Next time you want my advice, show some class.

Thanks
David

300DPETE · #42 11-30-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by WANT '71 280SEL

You can do what I do...avoid those threads. Any thread that has all the #(*@&$ stuff in it I skip right over. To me excessive cursing is indicative of a poor vocabulary or lack thereof. They can put whatever they want in the titles but I've read that the senior members here skip over them often as well, so, live and learn. Next time you want my advice, show some class.

Thanks
David

Oooh....you're good. Very good. That'll probably curb bad language in titles faster than just about anything.

Pete.

J. R. B. · #43 11-30-2005, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

I work with guys...no women here....they would laugh at this thread.....

You have to be thick skinned to work around these guys.

The mining camp I worked in was all men. We were a pretty tough bunch and our language could melt the tracks off of a Caterpillar. I've cleaned it up considerably since I came back to civilization although I still use $hit and ba$tard when I'm iritated. If I have used the F-word here I humbly apologise to all. I'm still doing some house cleaning on my vocal chords.

ZackaryMac · #44 11-30-2005, 08:39 PM

What the $^#&% is going on here?

Just for curiosity, is that really swearing? $^#&% ?

I posted it, and I don't even know what it means!

Ok, I'm going home.

Keith_otr · #45 11-30-2005, 09:07 PM

Wow....did I open a can of worms or what? I never said I was "offended" by the implied words, only that I questioned their place in a forum such as this. How many of us would stand up in the mixed company of a public forum and start a sentence with, "Where's the F___ing water coming from?" or "WTF happened to my......???"

Barking out a curse word when the wrench slips off and you bash your knuckles is one thing. Deliberately typing and posting such words to be read by an unknown audience is another.