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Old 12-01-2005, 03:28 PM
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The fuel system is standard issue diesel, it has a fuel pump on the timing chain. It is possible but unlikely it, or the camshaft, moved unless you have mega-miles on the engine. I believe that engine has a French Rotodiesel pump, its ok but not as good as Bosch. Some blue-ish white-ish smoke from the tail pipe is okey, especially if you're cranking a lot without it starting.

I found a local and good supply of new and used Peugeot parts. Its European Auto Service, 18520 Wyandotte St, Reseda, CA 90335. 818-343-7284.

A while back I was by there and there were a couple of Arabs with a cargo container and Sawz-Alls, they were collecting Peugeots and cutting them up to send the pieces back home, I guess Arabs aren't very good drivers.

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Old 12-01-2005, 03:57 PM
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Please lit us know the out come here. I owned a 504 years ago but the engine ran great so I'm no help but I think at 7 degrees things have to be in top shape, starter, GPs and compression to start a diesel. Let us know, good luck
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Try it with a marginal head gasket and you will find out otherwise.
So a car that's just about to break would be effected? Ether's not the only thing that can blow out a marginal head gasket.
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Old 12-01-2005, 04:38 PM
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local parts place here said go to 20-50 , as i have 78,000 miles i did. i changed it back to 10-40 this am.
temp was 7 degrees f. today about 35 f. so far. changed battery & glow plugs 2 days ago. car is automatic. smell is by tail pipe and you can see smoke vapors after trying to start it coming out of the exhaust. compression is close to even in all 4 cylinders and no leaks i can find anywhere.
is it possible it jumped the fuel system belt and may be off
thanks for everyones help. am kind of afraid of either. started my old tractor with it once but everyone is saying no to that.
Your tractor still ran? They're supposed to explode in a huge ball of flames after using Ether.
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Old 12-01-2005, 04:52 PM
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Your tractor still ran? They're supposed to explode in a huge ball of flames after using Ether.
Not all of them do.

My tractor has a connection under the steering wheel where, when it is REALLY, REALLY cold, you can jam an ether can and squirt the juice right into the intake manifold...it's box stock and looks like the banjo connection from the intake to the ALDA on a Benzo. The Deere is a DI engine so it's relatively low compression and doesn't have any GPs either.

I haven't ever needed to squirt it...but, it's only been down to the low 30s since I bought it. Hit the switch and she fires right off!
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Old 12-01-2005, 04:55 PM
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No Belts in Peugeot fuel system. Injection pump is driven by chain, very unlikely to be a problem for your no start condition.
The thing I like about trouble-shooting diesels is that it is much simpler than a gas engine. Its either fuel, or glow plugs. Are you SURE the glow plugs are heating? You will need them at those temps. Changing the oil was a good move. So was charging the battery.
If I remember my Peugeot Diesels, there is a hose connecting the Air filter to the intake manifold. Since you have electricity, you may be able to try this trick. Insert a hairdryer nozzle into the hose leading to the intake manifold. Leave it "on" for 5 minutes, or more, blowing hot air into the engine. Then try to start it. The hairdryer should provide enough heat to encourage ignition.
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I have narrowed it down to the pre-heat control box.
Engine has lots of everything good. I popped the cover on box and it looks like a coil, spring and points. the points go in and out when i turn the key but no heat to the glow plugs. They are as cold as the engine block, Thanks everyone. you really helped. (pre heat control box. go figure.
Alaska to key west and now in colorado going to Az. This, a belt in B.C. and new tires are all this baby has had. (battery,glow plugs, oil change)
I got it and my 2 mt.bikes and she got the 911 and dog. Starting to think I did better in the divorce.
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Old 12-01-2005, 05:05 PM
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I have narrowed it down to the pre-heat control box.
Engine has lots of everything good. I popped the cover on box and it looks like a coil, spring and points. the points go in and out when i turn the key but no heat to the glow plugs.
Take a look around for a high current fuse (50-80A) associated with the pre-heat that has failed. Not quite the same but, MBZs have an 80 amp strap fuse in the pre-glow box that will vibrate in two and totally kill the glow system.

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This, a belt in B.C. and new tires are all this baby has had. (battery,glow plugs, oil change) I got it and my 2 mt.bikes and she got the 911 and dog. Starting to think I did better in the divorce.
You have a dead Peugeot; sounds like you're the one with a dog.

Seriously, good luck to ya! Take care!
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Besides the place listed for parts in other post, i have had success with Disortex in houston. 800-833-3839. Guess they bought out a bunch of peugeot supplies, Great help and friendly people.
Ok off to order 1 preheat control box. Thanks all.
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Old 12-01-2005, 05:13 PM
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You have a dead Peugeot; sounds like you got a dog too.

Seriously, good luck to ya! Take care!
Porche 911 Parts were easier to come by ,
but the dog ate way to much And the 911 could never hit the 51 mpg i get now at 68mph hwy,
of course my little 505 diesel will never go over 100mph. lower insurance, less tickets. Didnt like the dog that much anyway.
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Old 12-01-2005, 05:42 PM
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Besides the place listed for parts in other post, i have had success with Disortex in houston. 800-833-3839. Guess they bought out a bunch of peugeot supplies, Great help and friendly people.
Ok off to order 1 preheat control box. Thanks all.
Didja make sure that there's power to the preheat control box relay contacts?
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You should put a voltmeter on the glow plugs and check it before you spend time and money on a glow plug relay box. I'm not sure the glow plugs firmly screwed into a frozen cylinder head would show any warmth. A trick would be to clip a jumper from the glow plugs to the battery for a minute or so and then try and start it.
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5 speed '01 Jetta V6 (new wifes car, pretty quick)
5 speed '85 Peugeot 505 2.2l Turbo Gas 197,000 mi. (wifes car, faster, sadly gone just short of 200k )
5 speed '83 Yamaha 750 Maxim 14,000 mi. (fastest)
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check the connections with light/ tester??
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Old 12-01-2005, 06:01 PM
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Assuming a 12 Volt light tester

Yes.
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5 speed '85 Peugeot 505 2.5l Turbo Diesel 266,000 mi. (old car, fast for a diesel, had 2 others)
5 speed '01 Jetta V6 (new wifes car, pretty quick)
5 speed '85 Peugeot 505 2.2l Turbo Gas 197,000 mi. (wifes car, faster, sadly gone just short of 200k )
5 speed '83 Yamaha 750 Maxim 14,000 mi. (fastest)
0 speed 4' x 8' 1800 lb Harbor Freight utility trailer (only as fast as what's pulling it)
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Old 12-01-2005, 06:12 PM
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check the connections with light/ tester??
Yes.

I've never looked at a Peugeot but I'm guessing that the controller simply operates a relay that switches the power to the GPs (think of it as a remote switch). Since relays generally are pretty reliable and that one of yours sounds like it is pulling in and probably making contact, you might just have a problem with the high current circuit to the GPs that is handled by the relay. If there's no juice to that side of the relay, replacing the controller may not solve your problem.

Power should be going to the controller in some fairly large, high current wire (10ga maybe?) along with the smaller (14ga?) wire that operates the relay. With the key on, the bigger wire going to the controller should have voltage on it. With the controller relay energized, there should voltage be on a similar wire or wires that go from the relay to the GPs.

No juice to the controller's relay contact, no workee the GPs.!

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