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Old 12-13-2005, 07:52 AM
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I just got my block heater in the mail and there is no adapter piece that screws into the block before the actual element part. So before I brave the task of removing the old plug I need to know if the block heater will fit. Anybody know about this? I am going to contact the seller(Ebay) and ask him whats up with this too. I have been waiting several weeks for this shipment and the weather is not getting any warmer. aw heck. thanks a bunch zachariah

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Old 12-13-2005, 07:57 AM
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I had an adapter ring on both of mine.(that I remember, one definately did)...I do have two different ones on the two cars....did you take a rough measurement of what you do have yet? if I can find my old block plug I can measure it tonight....see if yours needs the adapter or not.
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Old 12-14-2005, 01:36 AM
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I bid you my condolences on getting the darn thing out. It sounds to me the best way to go would be as BHD did and remove your manifolds if you don't have access to a lift. While they're off you could have the intake cleaned if your car has one of the evil EGR's. My '85 that was totaled had a heater but my brother's '84 that I'm buying doesn't. I was going to install a lower radiator hose heater until I heard about the serious increase in power drainage. I guess the jury's still out for me on that one.
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Old 12-14-2005, 01:51 AM
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What serious increase in power drainage? I use a lower hose heater and they use LESS power than the in-block ones....with my meter I clocked my lower hose one at 355-365 watts during operation, the block one on the 83 draws over 400 watts. Lower hose ones use less power.
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:08 AM
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I read your posts about that and you were the exception to what I thought was the rule. Most people posted that the lower radiator type required around 1000W while the factory ran off of 400W or so. My step-dad watches the electric bill like a hawk and if a radiator hose heater didn't draw any more current I'd definately prefer to install it.
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:26 AM
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For a 375 watt hose mounted heater (the one I have), look no further than the awesome kit from www.**************.com

Search for "block heater" and it will bring up the kit. I'd never attempt the block mounted heater, the risk of cracking the block/having lots of problems etc made it seem just not worth it to me.
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Old 12-14-2005, 03:23 AM
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Lower radiator hose heaters would seem to heat the radiator in extreme cold climates and not actually get the block warm?

This might be enough to keep the engine from freezing or just enough to get it to work...but is it AS GOOD as the stock block heater?

I will agree though that for the average DIYer...the block plug can be a aweful bear to get out.

Mine had a adaptor ring...such as this:
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Old 12-14-2005, 03:46 AM
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Oh they get more than the radiator warm, they get the radiator, lower hose, thermostat, all HOT. Thus a lot of heat goes right on into the block. I have tested mine so far as low as 3 degrees out, I started it up in 2 cranks effortlessly with a 5 second glow at this temp with my trusty heater. W/out the heater this would have been a life/death startup involving a loooong glow and lots of cranking. I was amazed at how well it worked. It even melted all the snow off the front 10" of the hood or so, from all the heat rising up and off the radiator etc! I'd say the lower hose heaters will work great down to probably -20 to -30 degs.
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Old 12-14-2005, 06:59 AM
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Believer me the lower hose heater gets the block and coolant hot by convection currents just like the factory heater. And the Mercedes source heater is not 1000 watts, but 600 watts just like the one I have.

Check out the pictorial

http://dieselgiant.com/mercedesblockheaterinstall.htm
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Old 12-14-2005, 07:04 AM
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for the block heater installation

pay your indie an hour to put it in.

this one is not worth doing yourself.

they will have a lift and a six foot breaker and 3/4" drive sockets to do the job.

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Old 12-14-2005, 07:15 AM
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pay your indie an hour to put it in.

this one is not worth doing yourself.

they will have a lift and a six foot breaker and 3/4" drive sockets to do the job.

tom w


That's what I'm thinking, maybe the starter at the same time. But I have a KKK turbo and EGR-less manifolds to install so I just may do it all at once.

If only the 617s came with the block heater standard like the 603.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:15 AM
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I agree with t walgamuth. It cost me $165 to have a shop put it in and do a coolant change. I also had the heater in hand. It was worth it, since I don't have access to a lift.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:22 AM
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That's what I'm thinking, maybe the starter at the same time. But I have a KKK turbo and EGR-less manifolds to install so I just may do it all at once.

If only the 617s came with the block heater standard like the 603.
if you are changing over to pre-egr manifolds is easy to do from above when they are out.....I did both my benzes that way. The W116 becasue I didn't have a lift, and the W123 becasue I wanted to swap manifolds (to Pre-egr ones like you)...so as a combined job it was not hard....
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:32 AM
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Block heater?

I don't understand why you even need one in the first place. My car starts right up no matter how cold it is. You people in TX- why do you need block heaters? Atlanta- what's the advantage to having a block heater in Atlanta Georgia when I can be up here in DC and not even need one no matter how cold it gets. Sometimes it's as though it starts better in extremely cold inclement weather than in the warm months. Not trying to be a smartass it all just seems a bit over the top. If it's such a chore why bother when you don't even need it anyway if the car has a strong battery, syn oil, antigel, good plugs, and the valves have been set it should be good to go. If your car won't start in the winter without a heater perhaps the dough would be better spent on the actual problem rather than a workaround. If somebody can help me understand without being rude I'd be grateful. Seems like an awful lot of trouble to have to go to.
That being said I'd rather go with the factory option than the splice kit. The splice kit seems like a jerry-rig solution.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:51 AM
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pawoSD,

All the heat that goes into the radiator and melting the snow on the hood is wasted energy you are paying for.

If a heater takes twice as many watts, it is actually more efficient because you have to leave it only half as long and less heat is dissapated to the atmosphere.

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