If rug dropped to .20/gal I would get rid of the 300D and buy another 1990Grand Wagoneer with a 360cu/in. v8. Nothing like three tons of USA made steel sailing down the road. It also had ice cold a/c, power everything(including rear glass), and it could tow a small house with ease. However, the last time I drove the one I sold, I put $10.00 in it and was on fumes when I got home from a 22 mile trip. It only got 6.5mpg. A real dinosaur(sic).

Notice in the report says they do not know if gasoline emmisisions have the same effect or not because but they were just focusing on diesel.. Also , are the diesels in the study burning Low Sulfur Diesel (LSD) and using Particulate matter filters and/or other emmission controls?? I bet the ¨comparable-sized gasoline engines"have the state of the art emmission systems. Quote :

Researchers were particularly interested in diesel engines because they generate 100 times more pollutant particles than comparable-sized gasoline engines — and the number of diesel-powered automobiles is on the rise around the world, especially in Europe.

"Whether these findings apply to gasoline-powered engines is unclear," he said, since diesel fuel and gasoline are consumed and break down differently during engine operation."

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It is fine to pursue the question -- what are tdoay's diesel exhaust doing to people? However REPORTING like this sucks because it blames Diesel engines outright and not the fuel they burn or their lack of emmission control devices installed. That report never mentions either of those factors which is definitely important to the valdity of the research. Listen to this for a different story of diesels -- http://marketplace.publicradio.org/shows/2005/08/26/PM200508265.html

Reports like the one iin the star just help average joes carry on with their misconception of "Dirty Diesels" and buy mediocre mpg gasoline burners or decent mpg gas hybrids instead of decent mpg diesel or great mpg diesel hybrids that run off renewable oils. We all should know that bad prtrol based fuel and absence of pollution contols on most diesel engines (because of sulfur in fuel and no mandate) are to blame for excess emmissions and not Diesel engines. But thahe researchers and reporters are blaming the diesel engine -- lying that is whether they are aware of it or not.

What if we all were judged by what comes uot of our asses? )

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1975 300D, 1975 240D, 1985 300SD, 1997 300D, 2005 E320 , 2006 Toyota Prius

Same here. I love the bimmer because its my first car and I'd do whatever it takes to keep it on the road, the same as I'd do for my Mercedes. The Mercedes got lucky because I was older when I got it and had more bravery to do repairs, plus it didn't have electronic fuel injection and sensors coming from everywhere, like the bimmer does, to scare away a young mechanic. Now that I've gained my confidence on the Merc, I'm not afraid to tackle things on the bimmer. I love its straight six 3.0L with a four speed six. When I was Merc-less for a month after my wreck I fell in love with her again. I appreciate my Benz because its a diesel and hardly anyone drives them but I love my bimmer for basically the same reasons, its different and not something you see everyday.

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1984 300D 225K
1985 300D Donor body
1985 300D Turbo 165K. Totaled. Donor Engine. It runs!!!
1980 300SD 311K My New Baby.
1979 BMW 633csi 62K+++? Dead odo

When actually diesels are the ones that are "less variable" and much more linear.

Though people get used to gasoline powered cars and thus see the diesels as the odd ducks out

If anything my 300SD is consistantly powered. Remember that since a diesel is physically BURNING its fuel it will be more prone to pick up on crap fuels whereas the new gen gasser will use its knock sensor to adjust for the crap fuel.

...or in the case of a turbo SAAB 95 I saw the other day trying to race me, won't conpensate for the pre-ignition and sound like its going to fall apart

After the 170 miles of freeway driving I did tuesday, my 617 is running smoother and stronger than ever. It cleaned out all the crud from my months of city driving to school and now it has gobs of power. I really need to make a video of mine....it hauls! I hate the feeling in gassers, even our V6 van is a wimp, it has no torque at all (I think its rated 170lb/ft or something) thats peanuts....the only way it can accelerate briskly is if it rev's to 6000rpm and jumps all over the place in its gears.

Obviously a MB v8 would do quite a bit better than our van's engine, but imagine a 617....with the displacement of those v8 engines, THAT would be some power....

An "OM620" inline 8 cylinder 4.8 liter turbo (617 with three more cylinders) would be the coolest engine ever. It'd produce somewhere around 215hp I'd imagine, with about 310+ lbs of torque. (I have a problem) Just imagine the sound of that beast.....

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'15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800)
'17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k)
'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
'16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k)

Heh yeah if you can get your car over about 80-85MPH it will really like the freeway driving (cleans everything out).

The older 3.3L engines in the vans were good engines..the new ones were crap. Our van will EASILY smoke a 300SD or 300SDL (its a 1990 voyager with over 200k on the clock...mitsu made a good engine for those things!)

Its faster than my car, but I don't like the way it drives.

It tops out at about 125 with light headwind but I like my benz better...feels safer too.

BTW our van, off the line, is quick as sin. That engine has impressive throttle responce and we have even thought of throwing it in a dune buggy and seeing how it performs. But like I said, they did something wrong with the new generation engines The 2.2L turbo is an engine you can roast some tire!

Threadjack over

Adding to the threadjack.... Ours has the 3.0 Mitsu v6, it has HUGE response when you punch it from a stop (it will easily smoke the tires) but after 2nd gear its all "roaring" as it builds its way to the higher speeds. Ours tops out around 94mph or so (shaking pretty bad at that point too), our SD's could beat it in a race hands down, they have a lot more acceleration past 70 than it does. When it was younger we managed to get it near 100, but it just has nothing left at that point, except extreme fuel consumption. Our SD's will go past 110mph easily if you keep the pedal to the floor.....117mph is the record for the 83....I came close (was following) but I backed off probably around 113ish......


As for cleaning it out.....80+ seems to be what most people do in michigan in the right lane, so when passing you easily need to go into the 90-100 category....which I did a number of times that day. Extreme cleaning!

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'15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800)
'17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k)
'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
'16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k)

I would be VERY concerned about the safety of a car that has suffered a broken swaybar...espically while doing 100+!

I would say if those sorts of speeds are to be maintained ya probably want to spend a weekend picking over the car with a light, mirror, and possibly a magnifying glass heh...

Inspections = good. Why did the bar break anyway?

to say that diesel engined automobiles will be around longer would be a truth.

to say that diesel powered old mercedes benzes will be around longer would also be a truth.

what is not the truth is to say that automobiles are a permanant fixture on this planet. they WILL be gone one day. not before we're dead, i hope, but they will none-the-less.

what i mean by band-aid is that vegetable based fuels wont even last as long as dino fuels.

dammit, we need dilithium crystals.

at the least, we need bussard collectors but then again... thats hydrogen and the automobile companies are already getting there.

i am showing my dorkiness. sorry yall

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Someone would have to GIVE me a brand new gasser!

Did it stop pulling at 105mph? Mine ran to 117mph easily, I had to slow as it was dark and a vehicle pulled out in front of me.

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'85 300SD 245k
'87 300SDL 251k
'90 300SEL 326k

Six others from BMW, GM, and Ford.

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Since this thread is hijacked anyway! You want torque? M120 thats the final word.

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1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200

Are you talking about me, Hitman?

Yes. It did not want to pull much past 105. But, believe it or not, if I had 10 miles of road in front of me, it would've done more. Maybe 110, but I think that's about it. And if you hit a hill, foggetaboudit. I was surprised that it was STILL climbing past 105 mph given its anemic condition.

You would think my nutzo claims of the SDL were false. But this is exactly what happens when there is NO turbocharger, and the fuel has less energy per gallon due to winter blending.

I can't believe how much of a difference the turbo makes on these engines.

BTW, I have been past 130 in this thing. Only on a good day, with good fuel in the summer, with a downhill assist and light headwinds.

130 + mph to 105 mph. Enough variance?

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1987 300SDL (324000)

1986 Porsche 951 (944 Turbo) (166000)

1978 Porsche 924 (99000)

1996 Nissan Pathfinder R50 (201000)

Never driven one. I've never driven an M120 vehicle. I only know what I hear from reviews. And the M120 in the SL600 is nose heavy, affecting cornering performance with abundent oversteer.

I've blipped the engine a few times, in a W140 600SEL. When I did, the 2.5 ton W140 nearly rocked off the pavement. The M120 is a monster.

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1987 300SDL (324000)

1986 Porsche 951 (944 Turbo) (166000)

1978 Porsche 924 (99000)

1996 Nissan Pathfinder R50 (201000)

89 mirage turbo with a 4g63T with a 20G turbo and bigger injectors will smoke anything out there even without the AWD conversion.. ive seen videos of a car like this pushing 600HP smoke a 1JZ powered supra twin turbo.. now thats embarressing getting beat by an econo box in your sports car