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Old 12-26-2005, 02:25 AM
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What exactly fries on the CCU?

Is it a little transistor looking thing or is it something else?

I just replaced a mosfet on my ham radio packet modem becuase of some shorting issues in the units past. Pretty easy fix, did it with spare parts, and worked nicely.

The CCU, although complex and small, is still just electronics. It can be fixed by able minds

I agree, I bet with some patience and labor one could replace the items on the CCU that get fried if the pump goes out. Just gotta be very steady with that soldering iron!

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Old 12-26-2005, 09:45 AM
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Been there done that (we took apart our entire 83 remember) I have personally spent time with each and every part under there...
Oh yeah.......you definitely know your way around the area between the firewalls........looks like surgery in there.

I forgot about that "little" project.
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Old 12-26-2005, 09:46 AM
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The CCU, although complex and small, is still just electronics. It can be fixed by able minds
Well, Brandon, if you're up for it, I'll be happy to send you one for experimentation.
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Old 12-26-2005, 12:58 PM
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Brian,
Check out this post to see what I did to remedy the problem. My ACC is flakey as of late but there is no way it is the aux pump any more as it is isolated completely and continues to work. RT

Arrrgh! Auxilliary coolant pump leaking.....
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Old 12-26-2005, 01:09 PM
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Check out this post to see what I did to remedy the problem. My ACC is flakey as of late but there is no way it is the aux pump any more as it is isolated completely and continues to work. RT

Arrrgh! Auxilliary coolant pump leaking.....

Thanks Rob.

I just replaced the pump with a new one. They are on e-bay for about $50.00 or so. I had already bought it as a spare...........smart thinking, heh?

I'm going to get a fuse put inline with the 12V supply for the new one. I don't see the need to bother with a relay for it. Just one more thing to fail down the road.
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Old 12-26-2005, 02:41 PM
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Well, Brandon, if you're up for it, I'll be happy to send you one for experimentation.
Have any way to email me a picture of the circuit board front and back and perhaps show which trace on there goes to the waterpump?

I'd be all for fixing one up. I have a little pile of cruise control amps to fix too

Odd though...all my stuff works in my car
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Old 12-26-2005, 03:32 PM
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Have any way to email me a picture of the circuit board front and back and perhaps show which trace on there goes to the waterpump?

I'd be all for fixing one up. I have a little pile of cruise control amps to fix too

Odd though...all my stuff works in my car
In taking the back cover off, I saw traces of burning. You'd need to dismantle the whole unit to get at the front side of the board.

Like I said.........it's yours if you want to get into it.
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Old 11-19-2006, 10:59 PM
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Fuse

I found a nice ATO fuse holder at Autozone, but anyone have any idea where I can get a 1amp ATO fuse? I tryed the local Radio Shack but, well you know

Oh PS My ACC really freaks when I put my hot coffee mug over the sensor on the dash I used to put that there with the 240 on a regular basis.
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Old 11-19-2006, 11:51 PM
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What a timely bump. Would a bad aux pump be the main reason to blowing the fuse? The #5 fuse on my new 86SDL keeps blowing, sometimes lasts 3 hours when driving, sometimes 15 minutes.

According to the Fuse Designation label, The #5 fuse controls:
  • Back up Lamp
  • Heating Water Valves
  • Water Pump
  • Climate Control System
  • Relay Aux Fan Terminal 86
  • Aut Transmission Electronics
  • Blower Motor inside temperature sensor
  • air conditioning compressor
  • electromagn. clutch/valve air injection
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Old 11-20-2006, 12:57 AM
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What a timely bump. Would a bad aux pump be the main reason to blowing the fuse? The #5 fuse on my new 86SDL keeps blowing, sometimes lasts 3 hours when driving, sometimes 15 minutes.

According to the Fuse Designation label, The #5 fuse controls:
  • Back up Lamp
  • Heating Water Valves
  • Water Pump
  • Climate Control System
  • Relay Aux Fan Terminal 86
  • Aut Transmission Electronics
  • Blower Motor inside temperature sensor
  • air conditioning compressor
  • electromagn. clutch/valve air injection
It could be the aux. pump, but, even when fully stalled, it shouldn't draw anywhere near enough to blow the fues.

The only other item on the list is the aspirator motor. This item is noted to seize after 20 years due to lack of lubrication. It's sitting above the passenger kick panel behind the dash. I wouldn't think it could draw more than the 8 amp fuse can handle, but, you never know.
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:50 AM
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It could be the aux. pump, but, even when fully stalled, it shouldn't draw anywhere near enough to blow the fues.

The only other item on the list is the aspirator motor. This item is noted to seize after 20 years due to lack of lubrication. It's sitting above the passenger kick panel behind the dash. I wouldn't think it could draw more than the 8 amp fuse can handle, but, you never know.
Aspirator Motor? Is that the blower motor? Actually there was a 15A fuse in the spot and it was blowing that!
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My Experience

When I bought my 84 300 SD the fan had a larger fuse installed. Shortly thereafter the climate control unit stopped working (along with the fan). I was able to disassemble the CCU and found a circuit burned. I took solder and bridged the gap in the circuit and the CCU is functional. The circuit probably would not have burned if the correct size fuse was installed.
The problem was the water pump had siezed. I removed it and connected the hoses together. I've been running like this for a few years. The heat works OK but my wife's 83 SD heater works much better.
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Old 11-20-2006, 09:17 AM
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Aspirator Motor? Is that the blower motor? Actually there was a 15A fuse in the spot and it was blowing that!
It's a small motor and fan that draws air down from the tiny grille in the overhead console. The motor keeps airflow across the thermistor so that climate control can reliably know the cabin temperature at all times.

A separate unit from the blower motor.
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Old 11-20-2006, 09:29 AM
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Thanks for the "bump"
I have done all the mechanical stuff to my SD, but haven't driven it enough to know what other problems I might have.
I did change the anti freeze the other day, and had no heat at idle, but on a short trip around the block, I had copious heat--but only thru the defroster vents. I could not get air flow from any other place.

I assume I need to replace, or by-pass the electric water pump. I am guessing that I need to remove the Climate Control Computer and see if it is fried.

One more sympton, the aux electric fan runs continously. Could all this be tied to the CCC? What are the odds that a simple resolder of the CCC will fix these issues?

After working correctly in the garage for the last year, the OEM Becker radio now refuses to work. I get some noise and a portion of the display. Could this, too, be related to the CCC?
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Old 11-20-2006, 09:42 AM
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I did change the anti freeze the other day, and had no heat at idle, but on a short trip around the block, I had copious heat--but only thru the defroster vents. I could not get air flow from any other place.


One more sympton, the aux electric fan runs continously. Could all this be tied to the CCC? What are the odds that a simple resolder of the CCC will fix these issues?

After working correctly in the garage for the last year, the OEM Becker radio now refuses to work. I get some noise and a portion of the display. Could this, too, be related to the CCC?
Air through the defroster vents is a sign of vacuum problems in the pods, not a bad CCU. You'll need to open up the switchover valves (passenger side of the transmission tunnel) and use a Mityvac on each circuit to find the pods that won't hold vacuum. It's a bit of a job, but to get the remaining doors to work, and the defrost to close, you'll have to tackle it.

The electric fan has two sources to start. The most likely source is the switch on the dryer. Disconnect the leads to the switch and see if the fan shuts down.

Although you seriously wish the CCU to be the culprit for all the issues, I don't see the CCU as the problem for any of them at the present time.

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