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Old 01-06-2006, 10:46 PM
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Toblin,

I hate to disappoint you but I have worked on super tankers engines in the Middle East. A piston and for sure a liner can not be removed from a running engine. The piston is connected to the cross head rod and that to the connecting rod. Both of these rods are connected together to the crankshaft (not the camshaft since these engines don't have camshafts-usually the valve and injector in each cylinder are hydraulicly operated). As long as the engine is running you can not remove any moving part from the engine. I doubt that you could even run the engine with a piston and connecting rod removed. The out of balance forces would tear the engine apart. You certainly couldn't remove the liner since it is part of the cooling system and would allow all the coolant to run into the crankcase.

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Old 01-06-2006, 11:14 PM
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I've seen that posted

on a couple other forums. I asked there, and I'll ask again: Does anyone have a .wav or .mp3 of one of those things running. I'd love to know what they sound like.
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Old 01-07-2006, 12:10 AM
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has anybody

ran a check on the post that states that ships are 103 times more efficient that trucks?

seem high to me. also the ship runs a lot slower, so a comparason per hour of operation is a little too simple for a comparison of actual work done.

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Old 01-07-2006, 12:24 AM
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How about a large Diesel Hammer

Used for pile driving driving.

http://www.berminghammer.com/hammer.html
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Old 01-07-2006, 02:56 AM
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How much torque?
over 1/2 million ft. pounds @ 102 rpm
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Old 01-07-2006, 10:47 PM
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Toblin,

I hate to disappoint you but I have worked on super tankers engines in the Middle East. A piston and for sure a liner can not be removed from a running engine. The piston is connected to the cross head rod and that to the connecting rod. Both of these rods are connected together to the crankshaft (not the camshaft since these engines don't have camshafts-usually the valve and injector in each cylinder are hydraulicly operated). As long as the engine is running you can not remove any moving part from the engine. I doubt that you could even run the engine with a piston and connecting rod removed. The out of balance forces would tear the engine apart. You certainly couldn't remove the liner since it is part of the cooling system and would allow all the coolant to run into the crankcase.
Sorry kip, but I'm sticking to my post. They showed how the changing of a piston is done. With the entire engine off, they could disengage the piston stem from the crankshaft and then restart the engine. The head for that piston (each piston has it own independent head) is then removed and access to the piston is made. Each cylinder has an independent fuel, lubrication and cooling system. All the cylinders do share a common crankshaft.

With this engine, the engineers have the capability to selectively shut down cylinders for maintenance and/or economy reasons.

Keep a look out on the History Channel. I'm sure this episode will be repeated. It was aired 1/4/06.


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Old 01-07-2006, 10:53 PM
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from a $$$$perspective

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Electricity production is extremely inefficient in a setting like that compared to just connecting the engine right to the screw for propulsion. The size electric motor and generator and all the accompanying equipment to control all that would be even bigger/more complex than just that engine!

When you think about the fuel consumption of one of those ships, they said the biggest engine consumes up to around 1,660 gallons of fuel oil (heavy stuff, and less refined/expensive as diesel) per hour.....but, a typical semi doing 70 on a USA freeway consumes roughly 12 gallons of refined diesel in an hour. It is hauling about 1/14500th of what that ship is capable of. (according to a source on mega ships, they can haul up to 16,000 containers (semi trailers) of goods!!! So, were all those goods to be truck-shipped, you would come up with a total of 174,000 gallons of diesel PER HOUR. Those ships (and trains) are WAAAAAY more efficient. wshew....those are big ##'s The ship is over 103x more efficient than by truck.
FWIW....It cost about $500USD to ship a 40' container from NYC to Hong Kong.

for the same $400. by truck, you're lucky if that container gets from NYC to Hartford, CT.
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Old 01-07-2006, 11:08 PM
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Pearce,

I understood from your original post that you thought that the piston, rod, liner, etc. could be removed while the engine was running. You can, as I am sure you saw, easily walk around inside these engines. I have been inside many engines up to 40K hp. But unless you are very fast you can not remove the head, piston, cross head rod, connecting rod, or liner while the engine is operating. One might well be able to run the engine once these comonents are removed but not I don't believe that they can be removed while under way.

I worked on supply boats that used Fairbanks Morse 10 cyl. OP (opposed piston) engines. If we had problems with one cylinder we could shut off the fuel to that cyl. and continue on. All the super tanker engines I worked on were stopped at the time of repairs. I know that each cyl. is a seperate system and the the fuel, the valve, and perhaps the cooling water can be shut off independently but I think that is about as far as one can go doing repairs while the engine is under way.

I saw part of the program that you mentioned but unfortunately did not see the part about the engine repairs.
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Old 01-08-2006, 02:23 AM
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I guess I should start doing that. I hate to beat a dead horse. It's all new to me at this point. I have only been in the diesel world for about a year.
I've done the same thing, and each time new people see it so I guess it's all right, all in all.

Cool link. I especially like the steps leading down into the crankcase. Oh man, how many times have I wanted that feature myself....
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Old 01-08-2006, 07:24 AM
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i can see the headlines

"honey i shrank myself.... so i could walk down inside my mb diesel engine"

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Old 01-08-2006, 08:51 AM
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Cool link. I especially like the steps leading down into the crankcase. Oh man, how many times have I wanted that feature myself....
If you were putting out as much HP per cylinder as these engines, you wouldn't need stairs to see the crankcase!!!

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