Even if we are talking a difficult switch, you have to admit, it is possible...no doubt...i know the cummins 600 is a six cylinder, i stated that above, ive been working 600series for 5 years....but as too all of you guys...look, your loosing faith to quickilly, actually i think none of you ever had any....man, anything can be done, IE----in 7th grade i had a go-cart that would do 27mph on the speedo....me and my buddy supercharged it with a small air compressor....(placed the nozzle in the intake)....wired electric from a spare car battery.....after rigging it, the cart would max out the 40mph speedo on flat ground...., look guys...all im looking for here is support....and ideas, but positive ones, i know everyone of you are wondering....could it be done??

Dane-----ky

it can.. be done.. its just a little difficult.. let me find the vids of the norwegians for you to drool over

check this page out guys, maybe i wont have to fabricate, or tool a cummins pump, check out the high performance pump offered by these guys.....5-Cylinder included......up to 10,000psi fuel pressure, bet that would do the trick...............


http://www.diamonddiesel.com/diesel/stanadyne.html




thanks,

DANE----KY

http://media.putfile.com/Mercedes-300-TD

1. These cars did not cost $47,000 new in 1982

2. if you drove your car 60-70 MPH in first gear, you'd be turning over 7,000 RPM, I doubt your car shifted into 1st even if you jammed it there, probably 2nd. And if you slowed down enough, the car will let you into first. Most cars will not allow you to over rev the car to the exteme like that.

3. Don't watch the EGRs, watch the EGT's

Yes, these Cummins cylinders are almost larger than 2 of our cylinders put together. So in heavy EQUIPMENT they have newer computer controlled diesels, quieter, more efficient and more powerful than a 24 year old diesel car.
http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/dodgeram/cummins24vturbodiesel.cfm
Looks like factory, its more like 100 ft-lbs per cylinder. I know, banks, or SCT can give you more juice, but thats not a fair comparison, our cars are not computer controlled. Theres not even a MIL (Check Engine Light).

We do not have computers to accept chips, these cars were NOT made for speed, they were made for efficiency and luxury and durability.
I dont think exhaust is an issue here. You can have the pump redone by Myna Diesel in Finland. The KKK and Garrett are small turbochargers, not like a large turbo you find in a Navistar VT365 or Cummins.

Okay, this is going to be a LOT of work, isnt the Cummins Common rail computer controlled and made by Bosch?

This is an inline 5, what is the benefit of splitting to duals, and how are you going to run this under the car?

CHeck this thread Boost Pressure Settings on 5 cylinder (617) diesel engines
Anything over 13.5 or so PSI is pushing it. Good luck keeping a Head gasket with 30 or 35 lbs of boost.

How does that help achieve over 200 horsepower?

Good luck with your project. Anyhting can be done with enough money. I'm not trying to put you down, but you have to look at cost and feasability of this project. This is going to be as much money as purchasing a newer Turbodiesel car (a Jetta TDI or even a clean W124 diesel) and theres no promise that your project is going to prove reliable. I think you're better off making this a clean, reliable daily driver, until you have the funds and knowledge to delve into a project of this scope. Back in 2001, I played with my F250 Powerstroke diesel and blew 2 holes in the pan and cracked the block with a paltry 9000 miles on the odometer. 42 lbs of boost and EGTs in the 1300s. This was an expensive lesson as it was my main vehicle, and I had to eat the T444E to replace the motor. Do your homework before you start modding!

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Surprised nobody's brought this up, yet....

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Benn discussed before just not on this thread...I heard enough bad stuff to step back and really think about that one...

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--look, I Know Our Cars Dont Have Cpu's, And Arent Chip Compatible, That Was Just An Example I Was Using To Exemplify The Possibilitys Of Big Diesel Power.....i Stated This For Only That Reason, However I Would Like To Look Into What The Chips Actually Do To Make All That Extra Power....i Believe, Although Im Unsure...that The Chips Basically Electronically Cam The Motor Up...i Think It Leaves The Valves Open A Little Longer...thats About All I Can Think Of, Besides Shooting More Diesel...or Maybe It Adjust The Fuel/air Ratio In A Simular Fassion To The 617's Alda...maybe It Does All 3...does Anyone Know???if We Could Find Out, We Could Modify A 617 Mechanically, To Perform Every Function A Chip Install Mediates On A New Motor...

1.maybe The Cars Ditint Cost $47,000.00, I Guess My Father Could Have Gotten Confused...he's Bought Quite A Few....how Much Did They Cost?????

2.the Benifit Of Spliting To Duals???? It Looks Better, Thats It....

3.the I-5 Already Has Extremely High Compression....22/1....i Know This, But Hey...whos To Say It Wont Take 30psi Of Boost, If It Dosent, Ill Have To Rebuild, Or Buy A New Long Block....ill Learn My Lesson, And Maybe Counter With Some Head Studs....

4.glow Plugs Are A Fundamental Thing In Diesel Power...thats How We Light The Diesel, Along With The Turbo Oxidation, No One Here Can Realistically Tell Me That Hotter Glows Would'nt Make A Big Difference.....NEW---DURING STARTUP, AND SHORTLY THERE AFTER....SORRY

New Thought----ive Even Taken A Look At The Benifits Of Twin Turbos, 1 Small Output To Spool Fast---reducing Lag, And One Turbo To Spool At Medium To High Rpms...i Could Use The Stock Garret---boost Controled---and Something Simular To A Garret
Gt12.....

See, No Lag On Low End---gt12---at Say 8psi

Middle-top Revs---say 20psi From The Stock Turbo...+++the Maintained 8psi From The Gt12.....

Sounds Like Another Great Idea....maybe I Could Find A Simular Sized Turbo From A Parted Out Tractor...man, We Already Have A Simular Turbo On An Old Skid Steer Loader....but I Cant Take That One, My Dad Would Be P/o'ed

Dane---ky

Ps---oh, And Before Anyone Says You Cant Twin Turbo A Inline Motor, I Just Want To Say.......you Can!!!!

glow plugs only work at startup...they are ballast the rest of the time....

How much boost it will take is a factor of how many clamping points (head bolts) and gasket composition and less the static compression ratio...

you will need intercooling more than 2 or 3 psi above stock boost......sequential turbos are not something joe average can design at home.....even the pro's have trouble getting it right....


an example is the Twin turbo Rx-7 used sequential turbos...most people pull those and use a single larger one since they don't work as well as you would expect.

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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

Two turbos are becoming more common in the marine world. The smaller one is used at lower rpms and then the bigger one takes over. This gets rid of turbo lag.

Volvo makes a diesel that uses this set up, a bit complex but kind of cool non the less.

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But unlike cars the boats are run at fairly steady throttle settings....so in that application they work better...

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True those engines run probably about 80% at cruise and thats about it unless they fish.

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This makes little sense. A boat doesn't need power at low rpm's. It does not need a turbo until the rpm's come up and the boat is asked to shove more water aside.

Might only be reasonable in a racing application where they need to get the maximum power possible very early in the game to get the boat up quickly.

No a boat doesn't need power but people want it. They want to firewall the throttle from a stand still and have the boat go. Diesels that power up like big blocks score points with owners.

If my memory serves me lots of these Volvo's are used in Sunseekers some with surface drives. The owners want speed and power, without much smoke and noise.

True offshore racing boats accelerate very slowly. Thats why most say factory 1 and 2 races are started at speed. The props have very hgih pitch and are not hooked directly to the shafts like on regular I/O's or surface drives. I am not sure what system they use but I know if you fire wall one at a dead stop it acts like a slipping clutch in a car. Lots of rpm's and no speed.

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They have given up all the power that comes with wheel diameter in favor of the speed that comes with pitch. If they go too far, they can't get the boat up on plane.

Any pleasure boater can do the same thing, but, if he then puts a bunch of people in the boat, it won't get up out of the water. All the horsepower in the world can't overcome the lack of diameter.