What are the chances Veggie conversion might damage my engine? - Page 5 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Hatterasguy · #61 10-05-2006, 01:14 PM

I don't want to say it bothers me because it doesn't, that’s not the right word. But what gets me about a large percentage of the WVO crowd, is they are only interested in diesel MB's because fuel is high and they can grease them. They only want a cheap test platform, and are not interested nor appreciate the cars for what they are.

I bought mine when fuel was still cheap, no one was interested in that stuff at the time.

If fuel dropped to $1 a gallon they would junk most of them, me along with the other MB enthusiasts would still be haply driving our cars.

On the other hand I should thank you guys for raising the re sale value of my car! You simply cannot buy an SDL today for what I paid for mine.

biopete · #62 10-05-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

I don't want to say it bothers me because it doesn't, that’s not the right word. But what gets me about a large percentage of the WVO crowd, is they are only interested in diesel MB's because fuel is high and they can grease them. They only want a cheap test platform, and are not interested nor appreciate the cars for what they are.

I bought mine when fuel was still cheap, no one was interested in that stuff at the time.

There is something about a free 200 mile commute in my w123 that just puts a big grin on my face. Its a combination of many things really.

1) Im running on "free" fuel i worked hard myself to collect and clean (same feeling DIYers gets reaping the fruits of his labors)
2) The car runs smoother than on any D2 . It's like I'm sliding down the road.
3) It's good for the environment
4) I'm participating in a valuable alternative fuel research which we need.
5) Last but not least I'm not supporting Petroleum industry and the destruction that comes with it.

A 500 mile weekend jaunt is even better .

Old300D · #63 10-05-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by biopete

There is something about a free 200 mile commute in my w123 that just puts a big grin on my face. Its a combination of many things really.

1) Im running on "free" fuel i worked hard myself to collect and clean (same feeling DIYers gets reaping the fruits of his labors)
2) The car runs smoother than on any D2 . It's like I'm sliding down the road.
3) It's good for the environment
4) I'm participating in a valuable alternative fuel research which we need.
5) Last but not least I'm not supporting Petroleum industry and the destruction that comes with it.

A 500 mile weekend jaunt is even better .

Yep, that's what it's all about.

Alastair · #64 10-05-2006, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

I don't want to say it bothers me because it doesn't, that’s not the right word. But what gets me about a large percentage of the WVO crowd, is they are only interested in diesel MB's because fuel is high and they can grease them. They only want a cheap test platform, and are not interested nor appreciate the cars for what they are.

I bought mine when fuel was still cheap, no one was interested in that stuff at the time.

If fuel dropped to $1 a gallon they would junk most of them, me along with the other MB enthusiasts would still be haply driving our cars.

On the other hand I should thank you guys for raising the re sale value of my car! You simply cannot buy an SDL today for what I paid for mine.

This is the Biggest load of old tosh Ive read here in ages!

Cheap vehicle/MB Diesel, as 'test-bed' for alt fuel??--Get Real!

If I wanted a cheapie, I would look for an Escort or Mundaino 1.8 diesel, Get those like for 50 quid, Even for Free sometimes, Offered a escort van today with blown head-gasget for nothing, Roadworthy too......

A similar condition M.B. Diesel, you looking at at least 800 quid, for summit like an old 250D....!

Just because some guys are 'Purists' and *think* that veggy oil is bad will not change the fact that the stuff dug up out the ground they prefer to run their cars on, will be gone VERY much sooner than those guys would like to think!
What will they run thier pride-and-joy on then??

Rashakor · #65 10-05-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Alastair

Just because some guys are 'Purists' and *think* that veggy oil is bad will not change the fact that the stuff dug up out the ground they prefer to run their cars on, will be gone VERY much sooner than those guys would like to think!
What will they run thier pride-and-joy on then??

Actually when that time will come i shall switch to pure Decahexane or Decaheptane (synthetic diesel) made from coal, wood, sewer sludge and recycled detritus by the Fisher-Tropsch process.

Where do people think the WWII Germany got their diesel? ... from coal!

bgkast · #66 10-05-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Alastair

This is the Biggest load of old tosh Ive read here in ages!

Cheap vehicle/MB Diesel, as 'test-bed' for alt fuel??--Get Real!

If I wanted a cheapie, I would look for an Escort or Mundaino 1.8 diesel, Get those like for 50 quid, Even for Free sometimes, Offered a escort van today with blown head-gasget for nothing, Roadworthy too......

A similar condition M.B. Diesel, you looking at at least 800 quid, for summit like an old 250D....!

Just because some guys are 'Purists' and *think* that veggy oil is bad will not change the fact that the stuff dug up out the ground they prefer to run their cars on, will be gone VERY much sooner than those guys would like to think!
What will they run thier pride-and-joy on then??

I think he was talking about on this side of the "pond". About the only Ford diesels over here are huge F350 pickups.

Hatterasguy · #67 10-05-2006, 11:40 PM

I bought my SD for $500US, so you don't have to do the math; $500/1.8836=$265.45 pounds. In my book thats dirt cheap for a car, heck I know people who spend more for parts cars!

Old MB's are dirt cheap over here, well to a certain extent. But in general for a few grand you can get one, that runs out well enough. So yes on this side of the pond they are dirt cheap test platforms.

A 200 mile drive in any nice MB, puts a smile on my face. It could be a 240D, or an S600. Both are equaly enjoyable and have there own charm.

twr · #68 10-06-2006, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by asnowsquall

I believe the original question asked if a veggy conversion can do damage to his engine and said nothing about where the engine would be operated, north, south, latin America, Jupitor.
You think its hard to make tails of this, start reading more info about conversion at other forums around the web.
Micro droplets of water can be in the oil, its called emulsified. This causes cavitation. How much it takes to kill components in your engine is a hard call but you can do research on cavitation, it's actually very interesting.
I'll ask you to proove to me that water isn't harmful. You must know all of this right?

Did you ever heard about humid climates; let’s say 75% - 90% ambient humidity for days or weeks? Or just when is rainy season anywhere Do you think water in the air doesn’t enter to your engine either at your oil or fuel?

derherr65 · #69 10-06-2006, 10:47 AM

I'm starting WVO on advice from my mechanic. He says in Texas it's generally warm enough to run straight veggie without any modifications on the 617 and 603(I think). He's doing just that on a bone stock 87 wagon. I'm planning on running 50/50 for a while, then gradually leaning the diesel down to about 10%.

greasybenz · #70 10-06-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by derherr65

I'm starting WVO on advice from my mechanic. He says in Texas it's generally warm enough to run straight veggie without any modifications on the 617 and 603(I think). He's doing just that on a bone stock 87 wagon. I'm planning on running 50/50 for a while, then gradually leaning the diesel down to about 10%.

You can try it but you may not like it. I stopped one tanking it because i started having odd idle in the 603. So i used fattywagons electrotherm to heat the oil and the odd idle went away. Soon after my new job kept me busy enough that i couldnt collect oil so now its biodiesel or ULSD in the 603 and 617.

derherr65 · #71 10-06-2006, 12:57 PM

Well, it idles smoother than I've seen so far, but I haven't run 100% diesel to test that. I will before I get the WVO going I'm sure. I'll let you know. Either way, a slightly rougher idle at half the fuel cost seems a small price.

biopete · #72 10-07-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

A 200 mile drive in any nice MB, puts a smile on my face. It could be a 240D, or an S600. Both are equaly enjoyable and have there own charm.

Well that goes without say

biopete · #73 10-07-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rashakor

Where do people think the WWII Germany got their diesel? ... from coal!

I read they used a lot of biodiesel. Cant recall where.

Hatterasguy · #74 10-07-2006, 11:17 PM

Well they did run them on wood at the end of WW2, or shall I say some people did. But even they admited the system was poor, and most were out of service by 1946.

I think one or two die hards kept them going until almost 1950. Such a system was used in desperation, only gov officals and military got fuel in the later part of the war.

There was a big artical about it in a MB publication awhile back.

asnowsquall · #75 10-08-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by twr

Did you ever heard about humid climates; let’s say 75% - 90% ambient humidity for days or weeks? Or just when is rainy season anywhere Do you think water in the air doesn’t enter to your engine either at your oil or fuel?

Last I checked that air and moisture combo that you are talking about is not being compressed to 2000 psi by your IP.

You guys can believe what you want, it matters not to me. With three kids a mortgage and a hobby I really don't have the time or energy to argue with someone I'll most likely never know or meet about water in oil.
It's like arguing about religion or something. Best of luck to all, and have fun, life is short.