Pro and cons of rebuilding the baby.... - Page 5 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

tuxkwb · #61 07-02-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig

If you are still having this problem, try changing all the "\" in the address to "/". I don't know why, but I have to make that change for my Mac browser, Safari, to work.

The actual that will work is:

http://mb.braingears.com/123_DISK2/program/matrix6.htm.

#62 07-02-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tuxkwb

The actual that will work is:

http://mb.braingears.com/123_DISK2/program/matrix6.htm.

That address works fine, but when you try to go to the specific manual sections, you get something like this:

http://mb.braingears.com/123_DISK2/program/Engine\615\a.pdf

and I get an error. But it works if I change it to this:

http://mb.braingears.com/123_DISK2/program/Engine/615/a.pdf

mbzr4ever · #63 07-02-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

ON this forum, "SKIPPY" has a well described 1977 240D running beater/parts car for $500. It's in Carson City Nevada (just south of Reno) so not too geographically undesirable- might drive to port of SF under its own power..)

Just another one to think about for sourcing the 240 engine

Given your mechanic situation over there, it sounds like simply dropping in another identical motor (the KISS principle) might be the best way to keep costs down and avoid mechanic error here. And maybe get a few dollars back if you can sell off a few parts from it.

You have a lot of people rooting for you to give the baby a successful motor transplant or rebuild.

The 240D is truly a forever car, hope yours will still rise respendent once again to klatta klatta its way around the Is.

Thanks, will check it out.

t walgamuth · #64 07-03-2006, 10:21 PM

advance auto parts often has the benz filters in stock. autozone too. i havent tried napa.

tom w

mbzr4ever · #65 07-04-2006, 10:44 PM

at napa's yesterday. Asked for 2, they said they only had the one, as it was a "special order". May try to pick up an extra one in Honolulu later this week, when I am there for a day.

So I washed/waxed the 300E, and changed the star on the hood of the 240. The replacement was bought on ebay for $10, and my confidence is restored, LOL! Was getting ready to change the fuel filter, but I'll wait till later this week. Gonna enjoy this holiday instead.

Happy fourth everyone!

bgkast · #66 07-12-2006, 01:28 AM

I just found this while browsing ebay. It's in your neighborhood at least.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-240D-240-D-Complete-Rebuilt-Engine_W0QQitemZ110005422907QQihZ001QQcategoryZ33615QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

#67 07-12-2006, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bgkast

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-240D-240-D-Complete-Rebuilt-Engine_W0QQitemZ110005422907QQihZ001QQcategoryZ33615QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

mbzr4ever, your best bet is right there. Jump on it.

dmorrison · #68 07-12-2006, 02:12 AM

I read all the post and want to ask a few questions.

( First, My daughter has a 83 240D that she loves. It's hard telling her that if she gets into an accident, that the car will be totaled. She is a Texas A&M Aggie and the car was bought new by an Aggie, Driven by his son, An Aggie, and his second son, An Aggie. Aggies are a rare breed. I have never seen such loyalty to a school, she loves the car, I can see me rebuilding the car in 10 years, but I digress.)

1. What is your experience level in mechanics. How much of a wrench turner are you. Give us a few examples of what you have done to the car. This will help us figure out if you can do an engine swap or not. What tools do you have.

2. How much do you love the car? The ebay engine for $2500 and the labor for the installation, is this OK financially?

3. Consider going to the Mercedes dealer in Honolulu and asking to talk to the best 240D mechanic then have. Hint around at having the swap done on a dealer mechanics off time. He's knowledgeable and experienced. I know a couple of mechanics here at the dealer who work on cars on there off time.

4. If you need the Mercedes W123 CD Service Manual. PM me with your Address, if you want to, and I will burn a copy of my CD and mail it to you. You will need it for the swap.

The car was your Dads and may mean a lot to you. It may take a couple of thousand $ to get it up and running. But if the cost and time is OK. I would consider doing it.

What about the "friend" who blew the engine. I would consider getting some money form him/her. He/She ruined the engine.

Starting the car with an algae problem. The car will run even though you have algae. With the filters change it should run. I think your looking at other problems. Consider Mercedes road side assistance. They could come by and give you a professional opinion, Or the dealer mechanic that works on the side.

Lots of ideas. Let me know if you need the Service Manual CD.

Dave

PS. A thought, I love my 560SL. The 107 body came out in 1971 when I was a senior in High School. When everyone wanted a Camaro or Mustang. I wanted a W107 SL. I got one in 1995. I intend to keep the car forever. So if a new Engine or tranny is required I will drop it in.

If the 240D means a lot to you then consider installing a new ( rebuilt ) engine if its financially feasible.

t walgamuth · #69 07-12-2006, 06:41 AM

i just in the last six months sold two 240s with fresh engines. one had maybe 10k on the engine and was a stock stick 240 82 model. pretty clean 275k car in good operating condition and very good cosmetically too. not a 10 but a good 7 or 8. sold for about 4,600 i think.

i also sold an 83 with a na 300d with about 30k on a fresh engine. stick. very similar to the above car but not as good cosmetically. original paint but some dents from hail damage. a 6 or 7 cosmetically but mechanically, no excuses. sold for about the same price.

both cars we had gotten some use out of so i didnt mind selling them for less than i had in them.

your values on the island may be different. but i thought i would offer my experience as a guide for what you might be able to move grandpa's car along if you decide you need to later.

tom w

Carrameow · #70 07-12-2006, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mbzr4ever

First, if this is in the wrong section, sorry and mods please move it to vintage or where it needs to be.

OK, need some opinions from the great wise 240 aficionados on what to do with my 79 240D that "blew up". Consider:

1) The engine had about 300K miles on it when I let a "friend" drive it and he "blew up" the engine. That friend is now long gone, needless to say.

2) The auto mechanic says it would take about $2500 to put in a new engine. Sounds like he doesn't even really want to rebuild it, just wants to get a "new" engine and put it in. It was leaking oil big time. Knowledgeble mechanics to work on mercedes are very limited here.

3) I live in Hawaii, making it difficult to find a salvage engine, or to get one sent (maybe about $500 to ship). Mechanic has a lot of 5 cylinders and wants to put one of those in, I said no, want to keep it like the original. The same 4 cylinder engine around here would be rarer than a hen's tooth.

4) The car had the beginnings of rust, would it be worth saving? The rest of the interior was fine, had just replaced the driver's seat and put on brand new tires. For $2500 couldn't I just buy another 240D without rust on the mainland and ship it over (about $900 to ship)?

5) It is the w123, manual transmission, manual everything that my dad picked up in germany in 1979. I have memories of driving this car in Europe, so, it has a lot of sentimental value to me.

6) Am driving the 300e right now, so it is just sitting and its not like I need to have it fixed right away. Can't decide if this project car is going to be more trouble than its worth.

uhhhhhh, I said Yes three years ago to the same question. After one new engine, one new interior, one new transmission, one fire from a short, rewelding the floor for rust, a whole new interior....I amTIRED but happy...

mbzr4ever · #71 07-12-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bgkast

I just found this while browsing ebay. It's in your neighborhood at least.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-240D-240-D-Complete-Rebuilt-Engine_W0QQitemZ110005422907QQihZ001QQcategoryZ33615QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thanks for the find. My only concern is the seller has no feedback from other purchasers. His feedback of 3 comes from his purchases.

If the engine does not run, it can probably be fixed. I guess my biggest risk is if the block is cracked, then I am starting all over and throwing away $2500. It's definately worth looking into some more.

I just emailed him to see if he did the rebuild himself and to verify the shipping exp (it says $200).

mbzr4ever · #72 07-12-2006, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmorrison

I read all the post and want to ask a few questions.

( First, My daughter has a 83 240D that she loves. It's hard telling her that if she gets into an accident, that the car will be totaled. She is a Texas A&M Aggie and the car was bought new by an Aggie, Driven by his son, An Aggie, and his second son, An Aggie. Aggies are a rare breed. I have never seen such loyalty to a school, she loves the car, I can see me rebuilding the car in 10 years, but I digress.)

1. What is your experience level in mechanics. How much of a wrench turner are you. Give us a few examples of what you have done to the car. This will help us figure out if you can do an engine swap or not. What tools do you have.

2. How much do you love the car? The ebay engine for $2500 and the labor for the installation, is this OK financially?

3. Consider going to the Mercedes dealer in Honolulu and asking to talk to the best 240D mechanic then have. Hint around at having the swap done on a dealer mechanics off time. He's knowledgeable and experienced. I know a couple of mechanics here at the dealer who work on cars on there off time.

4. If you need the Mercedes W123 CD Service Manual. PM me with your Address, if you want to, and I will burn a copy of my CD and mail it to you. You will need it for the swap.

The car was your Dads and may mean a lot to you. It may take a couple of thousand $ to get it up and running. But if the cost and time is OK. I would consider doing it.

What about the "friend" who blew the engine. I would consider getting some money form him/her. He/She ruined the engine.

Starting the car with an algae problem. The car will run even though you have algae. With the filters change it should run. I think your looking at other problems. Consider Mercedes road side assistance. They could come by and give you a professional opinion, Or the dealer mechanic that works on the side.

Lots of ideas. Let me know if you need the Service Manual CD.

Dave

PS. A thought, I love my 560SL. The 107 body came out in 1971 when I was a senior in High School. When everyone wanted a Camaro or Mustang. I wanted a W107 SL. I got one in 1995. I intend to keep the car forever. So if a new Engine or tranny is required I will drop it in.

If the 240D means a lot to you then consider installing a new ( rebuilt ) engine if its financially feasible.

Glad to hear your daughter is happy with the car. No doubt you will be rebuilding it in the future (lucky you)!
At least it will be easier to get parts in TX. BTW, I have an old friend in Dallas that would probably help me if I needed anything from that neck of the woods.

1. Swap engine myself, no. I can do simple maintenance, but usually take both cars into the mechanics for oil changes, as they will check other things like brakes, leaks, etc. I have changed some
components that don't require special tools, such as:

240: twice changed headunit and speakers
minor body work (rust/paint)
restuffed the drivers seat (took out the seat,
restuffed it, and put it back in, per the
instructions on this site)
changed headlights, hoses, filters, etc

300: twice changed headunit and speakers, including
running new wires to the back
changed simple components, such as window
switches, hoses, headlights, etc.
fixed the problem with leaking rims (found a
matching set of unchromed rims, haven't had to
add nitrogen since)

2. The $2500 engine from ebay fits in the budget.

3. Good idea, on my next trip to HNL, as I live on one of the neighbor islands.

4. Thanks very much, I would like a disk. I will PM my address to you.

The friend is long gone, and it goes without saying, not welcome around here.

My attempt in trying to start the engine was to see if I could see where the leak was coming from (crack in the block, etc).

I'm sure I will keep the car and just keep working on it, as it has a lot of sentimental value to me. Besides, what else is there to do, here on this rock, in the middle of the pacific ocean?

DogPollen · #73 07-12-2006, 03:33 PM

Nobody puts baby in the corner.

mbzr4ever · #74 07-12-2006, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t walgamuth

i just in the last six months sold two 240s with fresh engines. one had maybe 10k on the engine and was a stock stick 240 82 model. pretty clean 275k car in good operating condition and very good cosmetically too. not a 10 but a good 7 or 8. sold for about 4,600 i think.

i also sold an 83 with a na 300d with about 30k on a fresh engine. stick. very similar to the above car but not as good cosmetically. original paint but some dents from hail damage. a 6 or 7 cosmetically but mechanically, no excuses. sold for about the same price.

both cars we had gotten some use out of so i didnt mind selling them for less than i had in them.

your values on the island may be different. but i thought i would offer my experience as a guide for what you might be able to move grandpa's car along if you decide you need to later.

tom w

Holy smokes, prices have gone up! I remember not too long ago, 240Ds on ebay for $800 - $1500, course, conditions unknown. Is this because of the increase in the price of gasoline?