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Old 07-05-2006, 12:02 AM
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I didn't summon it. But I sure would love to kill it.

Don't get me wrong their are positives. We just need to cut their funding in half, then they will focus on more important stuff. Like ships dumping waste oil for example...

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Old 07-05-2006, 12:12 AM
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I didn't summon it. But I sure would love to kill it.

Don't get me wrong their are positives. We just need to cut their funding in half, then they will focus on more important stuff. Like ships dumping waste oil for example...
Well, "we" as in the people said we wanted it otherwise it wouldn't have come into existance. Now it is here, it is like Herpes. It stays.

Won't work. You cut their funding in half and they will go for the little guys and not the bigger important stuff.
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Old 07-05-2006, 01:10 AM
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Well, "we" as in the people said we wanted it otherwise it wouldn't have come into existance. Now it is here, it is like Herpes. It stays.

Won't work. You cut their funding in half and they will go for the little guys and not the bigger important stuff.
Well, I spend a lot of time working with (another) federal regulatory agency, and it's not quite that simple. The folks who really control their funding (usually a congressional sub-committee, not "we the people") have their own agendas, as do the political appointees and career managers who actually run these agencies. These agendas seldom agree, and even when everyone is in agreement, it literally takes years for them to implement changes at the staff level. They also have a tendency to "overshoot" their goal, then to "overcorrect" in several year to decade long cycles.

Usually, these agencies get slapped for being to lax after some high visibility event (like an oil spill), and begin a multi-year process of tightening regulations and enforcement. Of course, at some point they go too far and the regulated industries start lobbying congress to back-off. They then get their funding cut by the same folks who told them to "get tough" a few years earlier. So they stop hiring new staff and reduce their regulatory activities until the next high visibility event, then the cycle starts all over again. At any given time about half the country is telling them they are not doing enough, and the other half is telling them they are strangling industry. In reality, they are usually fighting the last war, not the next one. Not the most efficient system.
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Old 07-05-2006, 08:45 AM
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The epa forgot who is in charge, not politicians who are obsessed with making themselves look good, but me, you and anyother taxpayer in this country.
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Old 07-05-2006, 09:47 AM
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The epa forgot who is in charge, not politicians who are obsessed with making themselves look good, but me, you and anyother taxpayer in this country.
The guy in the chain of command is usually a politician who has his hands on teh purse string.
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Old 07-05-2006, 10:30 AM
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Pretty neat setup! The guy is definitely a tinkerer. What did he use to fuel the Beckett burner? Did he happen to mention what kind of "operating" cost vs. output production?
He uses the waste oil from the boiler to run the becket burner so it must take a bit for it to burn efficiently. He says out of 10 gallons of used motor oil he gets 7 gallons of diesel fuel. He then filters it and adds Powerservice to boost the cetane.
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EPA question

About a year ago A guy I work with accidently dumped 4000 gal of diesel into an inspection pit for locomotives (he's not the sharpest knife in the droor). The pit is tied into a fuel/waste oil/rain water reclamation system. It turns out the pit has had a large hole in it for years and a good portion of that fuel leaked out into the surrounding earth. It also is not the first time that has happened, I'm told there have been much larger spills in the same pit to the tune of 10,000 gals. Here is the worst part. There is a major irrigation canal that runs about 250 yards from the inspection pit. What should I do?
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Old 07-05-2006, 10:46 AM
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The manager summond the help of a maintenance person to patch the hole in the pit after it was discovered. And no attempt to clean up the soil was ever done.
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The manager summond the help of a maintenance person to patch the hole in the pit after it was discovered. And no attempt to clean up the soil was ever done.
That's the kind of activity that would result in a significant civil penalty for the company, as well as an order to clean up the soil at their expense. I don't know how much liability the individual manager may have.
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Old 07-05-2006, 01:13 PM
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The manager summond the help of a maintenance person to patch the hole in the pit after it was discovered. And no attempt to clean up the soil was ever done.

Yep if they ever catch that expect both legal and clean up expenses to be well into the seven figure range. I wouldn't rule out jail time either. I have seen the way these guys act with fuel spills, that my friend is an industrial pandora's box. You should consult with an environmental attorny.

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Haven't there been people here who have run their cars on used motor oil(not that I'm advocating the practice)? If so why bother fractionating it?

Edit: okay, it does remove the tiny bits of metal and possibly the soot.
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About a year ago A guy I work with accidentally dumped 4000 gal of diesel into an inspection pit for locomotives (he's not the sharpest knife in the Drawer). The pit is tied into a fuel/waste oil/rain water reclamation system. It turns out the pit has had a large hole in it for years and a good portion of that fuel leaked out into the surrounding earth. It also is not the first time that has happened, I'm told there have been much larger spills in the same pit to the tune of 10,000 gals. Here is the worst part. There is a major irrigation canal that runs about 250 yards from the inspection pit. What should I do?
Please read this post with great care.

As of this moment; you have NO option!!!
You must report it.
By making this post:
#1. You are a witness to a criminal act.
#2. You are criminally culpable (now that your knowledge is public) if you fail to report it.
#3. Be aware that this is a public forum, and some members are government employees = Forestry, Law enforcement, US geological service, IRS, EPA, etc, etc, = they are obligated to report criminal acts or be prosecuted themselves for failing to report it.

I do not know the company and/or it's reaction (or employee reaction).
The following may be over reaction or save your life/health/job.

Please consider:
#A. Consult a lawyer (for your protection) before you report it.
#B. Your continued employment may be in doubt.
#C. Your continued health/life may be in doubt.
#D. Witness protection/relocation may be needed.
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Haven't there been people here who have run their cars on used motor oil(not that I'm advocating the practice)? If so why bother fractionating it?

Edit: okay, it does remove the tiny bits of metal and possibly the soot.
It does seem to remove all the soot and crap. One of the steps involved is to let it settle for a few days. The stuff he showed me that had settled out was nasty.
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:59 PM
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Well in CT you are protected under the wistle blower act. Still nothing good will come of it. You should consult with a lawyer before going public or talking about it more.

I don't see why people want to protect these companies. I hate the EPA but I'd report that in a heart beat. Why should some people go through great expense and effort to play by the rules and others get away with that crap.
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IOW, life is about to get real difficult for you now.

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