I recently bought 7 cans of R-12 on Ebay. Now the seller wants to back out of the sale because she says there is no way for her to legally ship the refrigerant. Anyone know a way around this problem?

Ask her to quote the regs which make her feel that way... perhaps it is just a matter of shipping by different carrier...

I recently bought some refrigerant and it was shipped by usps no problem. And it was the hydrocarbon stuff

Freon is considered a hazardous material and requires paperwork and placarding on the box. I work at UPS and they are REAL sticky about this. NOW if no one says that it is hazardous then...... its don't ask, don't tell.
Hazardous shipments can ONLY be shipped by approved, commercial shippers. just tell her to tell the clerk at the post office that it is a "present" for you.

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The seller has indicated that she is not interested in doing anything illegal or dishonest and I certainly do not want her to. I am not interested in placing other peoples safety at risk because doing the right thing happens to be inconvenient. I just thought that there was perhaps a way to do things properly, but the more that I read, the more complicated things get.

I have read the USPS publication on hazardous materials. And I can't even figure where Freon fits in their classsification system.

I just got two cans of R12 this week. If I remember correctly, they came via USPS. No special markings on the package so I'm assuming the seller just didn't mention what was in it. Is the seller in Wisconsin? I know that state has some funny laws regarding R12.

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No.

Ask someone on this list who is more dishonest than the seller to pick it up and have them ship it to you.

Len

tangofox007, I should appologize to you AND the forum for saying "don't ask, don't tell" and suggesting doing something ILLEGAL.


I worked, in the trenches,so to speak at UPS for 30 years loading and unloading trucks. We encountered MANY illegal shippments both hazardous and contriband. I was a Haz-mat responder for many years and was required to "clean up" legal and illegal Hazardous materials that broke open in transit. It could get real MEAN at times because some things are really dangerous. I often wondered what I was working around when you would see some un-known liquid or solid substance on the floor, trailer, package car or smeared on some guys package.
I PERSONALLY don't feel 7 cans of Freon would present ANY danger IF packaged right. It is a NON-FLAMMABLE gas.

I was told that EBAY wouldn't list ANY hazardous materials on the site.... obviously.....I was wrong. Chris

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She probably went to UPS/USPS and they asked her what was in the package, and she said "Freon". Actually, I think when you go to USPS they just ask you if there's anything "hazardous" in the package, and most people would say no if its freon.

I went to UPS to ship some commemorative coins and when they asked me what it was I said "coins". They have some tariff rule that says they can't ship loose coins, so the package was refused. USPS got that business from me in this case. I though about going back and saying something different, but the post office was closer anyway.

If I were you I'd just look for another seller.

Ken300D

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That's too bad. Perhaps it could be packaged in a styrofoam box along with a shrimp. Then, the package could be honestly declared as "seafood and safety refrigerant". BTW, please rush.

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Hmm, I have to agree, that it is a non flammable gas, but one can of r-12 rupturing inside a ups truck can kill the driver, or if more than one can breaks, it could damage the truck as well as kill/asphixiate(*SP?) the driver.
John

"...., but one can of r-12 rupturing inside a ups truck can kill the driver, "

Where in the world did you get that impression ? Did you bother to do ANY checking to see if that was true before typing ?

We handled freon all the time. We saw 30 pounders go down the belt alot more than a case of cans. We never had any leak.

We had a LARGE account that shipped hobby items, I mean LARGE. They shipped model airplane parts, sealed lead acid batteries and fuel for the model airplanes. One driver, after doing a pickup there, was going down the freeway when someone flagged him down and said smoke was comming out the back of the truck. Needless to say, that poor thing burnt down to the ground.
I figured that they loosly packed a battery and it shorted on to some metal in the same carton and WA-LA..... get out the marshmallows!!

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It is an ORMD Consumer Commodity and can be shipped with hazerdous paperwork with an applicable sticker on the box, but cannot be shipped air freight without hazmat papers. They can only go ground.

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