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Old 07-15-2006, 03:52 PM
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I feel your pain.

I went through the exact same thing with my 98 E300TD. Thanks to this forum I found the part numbers got them ordered and was ready to get it done. I had trouble finding the 32 point socket for the control valve. Found one for $60 . I got to looking at the yolk or flange whatever you want to call it that is held down by the torx screw and it is splined as well. So I picked up one of those and welded it to a 13/16 spark plug socket. It worked just fine. When it was all said and done I spent $5 on parts (o-rings, crush washers, springs, 50 cent socket from a pawn shop and the flange was $1.) but the shipping was $6. So nothing but death, taxes, shipping and handling are sure things in this world.

Believe me if I couldn't work on this car myself I couldn't afford it but other than that it is a sweet ride.
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Old 07-15-2006, 04:58 PM
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It worked just fine. When it was all said and done I spent $5 on parts (o-rings, crush washers, springs, 50 cent socket from a pawn shop and the flange was $1.) but the shipping was $6. So nothing but death, taxes, shipping and handling are sure things in this world.
Could you please list the part numbers for the o-rings, crush washers, springs. I want to keep some of these parts on hand as well as determine the size of the o-rings so that next time I can put Viton in there.
If I knew of directions for this job that were as good as the directions that michakaveli did for 606 glow plug replacement I would do it myself.
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Old 07-15-2006, 05:16 PM
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Old 07-15-2006, 09:00 PM
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Rick Miley may have listed all of those part numbers in that manifold thread. If not, then do a search for Rick Miley's posts and you'll come up with it. He lists them all. It was very helpful.

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Old 07-15-2006, 11:49 PM
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No, I listed the part numbers for the plastic fuel lines. Not the IP parts he is looking for.

Unfortunately, I think having to go to the dealer is most of the problem here. Mercedes has been backing away from anything out of warranty for several years now. They say they will support us with parts, but when it comes right down to it, they don't.

When I had this procedure done on my 99, I took it to a Bosch authorized service center, and I assume they ordered parts directly from Bosch.

BTW, that was Lightman who posted the glow plug instructions, and he also went through this IP leak and had trouble getting someone to fix it.
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Old 07-16-2006, 01:35 PM
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Unfortunately, I think having to go to the dealer is most of the problem here. Mercedes has been backing away from anything out of warranty for several years now. They say they will support us with parts, but when it comes right down to it, they don't.
I find that interesting because a friend of mine has driven nothing but 201's, W123's, and Pontons. He s nothing but a do-it-yourselfer, but he gets most of his parts through the dealership in Fort Wayne, IN. If Mercedes really does want to go away from supporting vehciles that are out of warranty their customer base will continue to shrink. Mercedes has such a mess right now. It will be interesting if Dieter can make anything of it. Perhaps he with 'Chryslerize' it. I hope that Mercedes can return to the glory of engineering that they once had, however, am not going to hold my breath.
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Old 07-16-2006, 01:56 PM
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I find that interesting because a friend of mine has driven nothing but 201's, W123's, and Pontons. He s nothing but a do-it-yourselfer, but he gets most of his parts through the dealership in Fort Wayne, IN. If Mercedes really does want to go away from supporting vehciles that are out of warranty their customer base will continue to shrink. Mercedes has such a mess right now. It will be interesting if Dieter can make anything of it. Perhaps he with 'Chryslerize' it. I hope that Mercedes can return to the glory of engineering that they once had, however, am not going to hold my breath.
The problem with MB started by the Chryslerization process in the 90s. It is not Chrysler that will improve MB, but it is Chrysler that has ruined it.

My experience has not been bad at all at getting parts for my cars, they are ordered at the dealer, usually over the phone, and even the most obscure parts that have to come from Germany will arrive within a week or two. The ones that are more common are usually there within a day or two. Sometimes the prices are surprisingly high for a relatively simple part and surprisingly low for one that I would have expected to pay much more for.

The problem you experienced with the dealer not being able to find the pump seals for the 606 IP has come up before and been solved the same way your dealer did it...by using the EPC for the earlier models. For some reason there is a bug in the EPC on the late 606 IPs that makes them believe the seals are not sold separately...but if a dealer does a lot of work on these they know how to get the parts...like I have said before...you have a bad dealer on your hands.

The incentive is for the dealers to do MORE out of warranty work not less...the in-warranty work is not nearly as profitable if the dealer is honest so they will look for out of warranty work to do...what they are not interested in is working on older cars...say more than 10 or 15 years old...as one who does that myself I can understand why...touch one thing and something else breaks...then you are blamed for it.

The gravy for them comes with working on cars 5-10 years old...out of warranty but not too old to be troublsome.
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Old 07-16-2006, 02:21 PM
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The problem with MB started by the Chryslerization process in the 90s. It is not Chrysler that will improve MB, but it is Chrysler that has ruined it.
A friend of mine was a consultant for DaimlerChrysler in Stuttgart several years ago. He said the whole Chrysler ruining Mercedes thing is a myth. Mercedes did it to themselves. His experience with management was that the Germans absolutely do not let an American tell them what to do.

Anyway, those were his thoughts and he had first hand insight into the company.

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Old 07-16-2006, 04:38 PM
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A friend of mine was a consultant for DaimlerChrysler in Stuttgart several years ago. He said the whole Chrysler ruining Mercedes thing is a myth. Mercedes did it to themselves.
Ya, I know, I was just joking. The Germans believe that they can do know wrong. One of the compaines that I deal with have a facility in the US. These people are not much more than middel men and bobble heads between the company that I work at and the main facility in Germany.
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Old 07-18-2006, 09:58 PM
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Could you please list the part numbers for the o-rings, crush washers, springs. I want to keep some of these parts on hand as well as determine the size of the o-rings so that next time I can put Viton in there.
If I knew of directions for this job that were as good as the directions that michakaveli did for 606 glow plug replacement I would do it myself.
Part numbers:
O-ring : A 017 997 41 48
Copperseal : A 004 997 45 40
Spring : A 000 074 37 93

(these were provided to me by per eriksson when I had MY problems!)
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Old 07-18-2006, 10:11 PM
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Part numbers:
O-ring : A 017 997 41 48
Copperseal : A 004 997 45 40
Spring : A 000 074 37 93

(these were provided to me by per eriksson when I had MY problems!)
Thank you very much for the part numbers.
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Old 07-21-2006, 07:42 AM
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Well, I dropped the car off last night at Shaver's. It is inteded to be done this afternoon.

I have a R350 for a loaner. Not my type of vehicle, but my wife loves it and her hands are already starting to grwo to the steering wheel. She bats her eyes at me and tells me she likes it. I spoke with a salesman while I was there and talked about diesel models. Bummer...no plans for a US C-Class diesel. He did tell me that the ML and R will be offered with diesels in the near future.
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Old 07-21-2006, 09:02 PM
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I have the car back. The shut-off valve was OK. It had fuel on it due to the lines leaking at the pump. This reduced the estimate about $260. The total damage was $510. The technician said that the copper washers are actually, the same as used on a 603 engine which is in part why they were not listed for a 606. Now to get back to taking care of the 1981 300D.
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