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Old 07-19-2006, 06:14 PM
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Uh Oh! Do the words in his auction look familiar???
Heres the Mercedes 123 .net site http://mercedes-w123.net/buyers_guide.htm

And heres what he posted....
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Buyers Guide To Type W123 Mercedes-Benz

Vehicles 1976-1985

‘ W123’ is the serial number for this particular model. ‘W’ stands for wagen (car in German) and 123 is purely a series number, not always running in order. On the front cross member, of all Mercedes cars is a small vehicle identification number (V.I.N.) where this number is stamped. On all W123 models these first 3 digits indicate the model of the car the digits that follow indicate specific details of the car, e.g. size of engine, petrol or diesel, automatic or manual etc. It is important you understand the use of this number, especially when ordering parts, as there are vast differences between the models although they will all be known as type W123s. I will separate the vehicle into areas of detailed analysis for the prospective purchaser.

Body shell

There are three main body types, sedan, coupe and wagon although there were a few rare versions for specialists, ambulance, hearse etc.

The W123 was produced at a time in the mid to late seventies when not a great deal of attention was paid to rust proofing, and also because of the huge demand for this model most of the early cars from 76-80 were not as well protected from the elements as they could have been. In 1980 and to the end of it’s life the model was given better wax protection for cavities, plastic liners were fitted to the front wheel arches and better weather-strips were fitted to doors and screens etc, it is this reason that the later cars have survived better.

All cars have mild-steel bodies but unlike SL models the coupe version does not have any alloy panels etc.



Mechanicals

Again all products of Mercedes-Benz during the 70’s were of the highest quality in design and durability. Engines in the early cars 76-80 were carried over from the previous W114/115 models and were noted for their longevity and quality, unfortunately their fuel consumption was not high and their performance not great. The model 250 had a redesigned engine only found in the W123 called M123. ‘M’ stands for motor, but this engine equipped with twin choice down draught carburettors by Solex was not a success, and was discontinued when the new cross-flow engines ‘M102’ were introduced in 1980. The twin cam ‘M110’ in production for the whole of the W123 production produced a superb 185 later188 B.H.P. from just under 2.8 litres and was a high performer. Later engines from ’83 had various economy devices to help increase fuel economy.

Diesel engines are in option of 200 to 300 turbo, again carried over from previous models.

In diesel cars favour is the fact they are almost bombproof if regularly maintained, and are far more reliable than any petrol option. Mileages of over a quarter of a million miles with no major rebuilds are not unusual.

Gearboxes are again of two types, early auto’s and later more economical ones, also manual boxes are 4 speed and later 5 speed. None have any major flaws.

The fuel injection system is very reliable.

The exhaust system is very important and is made from high quality heavy gauge Metal Aluminumised and containing the correct back pressure design, very important to fuel injected engines. Original supplier is; ‘Eberspächer’ which fit underside of car perfectly. Main dealers also supply exhausts now, by a company called ‘Roth’.

Interiors

The four types are cloth, velour, leather and M.B.Tex. Early cloth interiors up to 1980 have a pronounced check design and vinyl on the seats squabs and backs, with a central cloth section. This was changed to a herringbone pattern; before the final full cloth covered seats appeared in 1982 also with a redesigned seat back allowing more rear legroom.

Velour interiors were more expensive and are similar to Draylon in texture but are actually nearly all wool and were very expensive to produce.

Leather interiors are very rare in W123 series cars although there are more coupes and late model ‘T’ series cars with this type of interior than any others. M.B.Tex is short for Mercedes-Benz Textured Punctured Vinyl and is very hard wearing almost indistinguishable from leather and is easy to wipe clean, and personally is my favourite as I find it very comfortable.
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Old 07-19-2006, 06:38 PM
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I am ashamed to admit that I got taken in on an auction from a dealer (fell in love with a 190D and probably paid about 2000 more than I should). You guys are doing a great service for those on this site who might be looking at these cars. I would encourage anyone who comes across a suspect auction like this to let others know as this site is visited by many who are contemplating one of these fine cars. Common sense sometimes goes out the window when you think you've found "the car".

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Old 07-19-2006, 07:10 PM
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Anybody notice that it jumped to $8,100 today?

Somebody is going to be very, very, sorry when they take ownership of this wagon. Can you imagine the rust that is lurking within?

Hey Redassag00,

I notice you are in Katy, TX - any way I could talk you into dropping by and taking a look at this '87 300TD up for auction in your town if it's not too far out of your way?

I've been searching for an '87 for a long time now, they are few and far between. This guy's single picture of the car is horrible(1st warning) and it shows no Carfax registration history prior to 05/22/1997 in Richmond, TX(no mileage). After that, it passed emmissions on 11/02/2003 in Richmond again with 175,100 miles. On 06/01/2004 it was registered to a new owner in Fulshear, TX , but no mileage recorded. Then it passed emmissions again on 01/04/2006 with 204,424 miles.


HA, I saw that one on Westgreen last week.
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Old 07-19-2006, 07:28 PM
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All the Carfax data is from Texas and shows no Florida registrations...the florida tags are the same ones used on his 85SD of the same color....and same paint quality.

Actually, that paint job reminds me of my car....which looks like Earl Schieb breathed on it.....
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Old 07-19-2006, 07:31 PM
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I am ashamed to admit that I got taken in on an auction from a dealer (fell in love with a 190D and probably paid about 2000 more than I should). You guys are doing a great service for those on this site who might be looking at these cars. I would encourage anyone who comes across a suspect auction like this to let others know as this site is visited by many who are contemplating one of these fine cars. Common sense sometimes goes out the window when you think you've found "the car".

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Yep thats why I try to help anyone in my area who wants one of these cars. Not to brag but I have looked at a few and saved a couple of people a lot of money! Notice my location in my sig, remember that if you want a car near me.

Mercedes are tough, to someone who knows nothing about them a money pit can look pretty good.
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Old 07-19-2006, 07:39 PM
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what do you think of this beauty?

Not to highjack this thread, but what does anyone think about this 300TD. I wish the pics were better. Always concerned about storage and the problems that entails.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&item=270009134087&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1
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Old 07-19-2006, 07:47 PM
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HA, I saw that one on Westgreen last week.
Hi Hitman,

What is Westgreen?

I've already got serious reservations just because of the intentionally crappy picture with the auction. Why would anyone use a pic that makes it impossible to tell the condition of the paint job? Doesn't take a genius.

In all honesty, find it highly unlikely that I will ever buy a car off eBay "sight unseen" and without a compression test, etc. The risks are too high, especially with that has registration or mileage records for the first 10+ years of it's life.

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Sure, I dont mind. Send me a PM with where he is, and what you're looking for me to look for! I cant guaruntee I'm an expert, but I can know what to look for if you tell me!
Well, now that Hit Man has said he's at least seen it (at a distance), I'd appreciate a gander if you have a chance. I will send the guy an email to see if he responds. A little test drive and look over would be nice. I'll send you a PM when I hear back from the guy.

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Old 07-19-2006, 07:51 PM
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'sheeeeesh ! I can smell the Tire Shine and Armour All from here !


I've got two o' them vehicles...ones a 7/79 with chrome guage button and 'tothers a blue ( Looks like the old Service barge.)'85 wiv black guage buttons.

Well waddaya know...I'm rich at last !

PAMPERED !.......... Looks like the spare wheel was covered in rotor rust from very worn pads.....someone wasn't servicing it too well me thinks.
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Yep thats why I try to help anyone in my area who wants one of these cars. Not to brag but I have looked at a few and saved a couple of people a lot of money! Notice my location in my sig, remember that if you want a car near me.
Boy, that guy who bought the car in my post above sure could have used your help. The wagon was in Milford, CT. which looks to only be 20 miles or so from you.
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Hi Hitman,

What is Westgreen?

I've already got serious reservations just because of the intentionally crappy picture with the auction. Why would anyone use a pic that makes it impossible to tell the condition of the paint job? Doesn't take a genius.

In all honesty, find it highly unlikely that I will ever buy a car off eBay "sight unseen" and without a compression test, etc. The risks are too high, especially with that has registration or mileage records for the first 10+ years of it's life.


Big street over in the Katy area.

Car looked clean from 20' but that doesn't mean a thing
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Old 07-19-2006, 08:25 PM
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Look at the ash tray, it was a smokers car.
Or is that mud???
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Old 07-19-2006, 08:29 PM
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Boy, that guy who bought the car in my post above sure could have used your help. The wagon was in Milford, CT. which looks to only be 20 miles or so from you.

I am only a PM away.
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Old 07-19-2006, 08:32 PM
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PAMPERED !.......... Looks like the spare wheel was covered in rotor rust from very worn pads.....someone wasn't servicing it too well me thinks.
I think that the spare tire was lying in the mud when they found it and stuffed it the storage well. The tire treads are full of mud!

The radio looks like it was in the mud, too. Probably why the display is "8P5" instead of 88.5." Wonder which hurricane this one went through?
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I just emailed him/her and asked why there was water in the headlights. We shall see what he or she says. Can't wait for the responce. I am gonna check copart to see if it sold there. They are a salvage auto auction. I will let you guys know. And who would pay 8K for this car?
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Old 07-19-2006, 08:54 PM
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Funny about the net. I was thinking the spare tire well looked awefully dirty. Also I think it is still the original carpet, just died. Its to light to be brown and to dark to be palamino. Why no pics of the storage/3rd row seat?
The spare looked rusted on the inside, the door panels were all buckled, the hood didn't line up and those tires were too small. I don't know if the hood pad is suppose to look like its wet in certain areas? If its a flood car wouldn't it be reported to carfax?
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