Startron - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

markg612 · #16 08-23-2006, 10:48 AM

West Marine, and you can order it online!

dannym · #17 08-23-2006, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by riethoven

My cousin has a 37' Sea Line with twin Cummins turbodiesels and swears by the Starbrite. He says the engines run smoother and smoke less since he started using it.

I thought Starbrite was known for Teak refinishing and maintanence products so I figured it was something that they had OEMed for them. There has been alot of talk but no real specifics as to Starbrite's claims. What do they say it is supposed to do?

It's not Starbrite it's Startron

Hatterasguy · #18 08-23-2006, 04:27 PM

Starbrite makes lots of things including engine additives.

Biobor kills the crap in your tank, thats the point of it. It works extremly well at this, it is the industry standard in the marine world. Clogged filters mean its killing the crap, thats the idea kill it now so it doesn't clog a filter leaving you stranded.

Really the best way to get rid of this algea fungus or whatever it is, is to drain the tank and manualy clean it out. Wash it out with gas or bleach or something, and let it dry out. This is simple to do with our car's little 20 gallon tanks. Not so with a 3,000 gallon built in fiberglass tank.

diametricalbenz · #19 08-23-2006, 06:30 PM

I used the Startron on the W115 300D and it didn't seem to make a difference. I had already been running B20 in it beforehand and some rust chips were trapped in the primary filter but not much more by the time the startron went in so it's hard to say if it did anything at all.

xafman · #20 08-23-2006, 08:29 PM

Startron is a StarBrite product.

pmari · #21 08-23-2006, 09:25 PM

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HG you did not run the product long enough. As I said before it works by dissolving biofilm mats and dispersing water, it is not a direct biocide.

The problem with biobor is that it only works in the fuel. When it hits the water, it is converted into boric acid. Boric acid could/may corrode metal and destabilize diesel fuel. Hence my preference for pesticide type biocides.

http://www.satair.com/webcm/satair_resource.nsf/0/CSCT-6LEDYF/$FILE/L+-+HC.pdf#search=%22fuel-soluble%20biocide%22

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Biobor JF is primarily fuel soluble and is only biologically active in the fuel phase. Any active ingredient that enters the water phase is deactivated to a form of boric acid,

According to the manufacturer; Startron has to run for a
few tanks before decreased emissions, particulates and increased MPG is achieved.

bill murrow · #22 08-23-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDon

a quart? i think those that have used it to clear out the fungus have used the whole jug that treats 250 gallons.. i know i do with the power service "Treats up to 100 gallons" hmm i only have 10 in the tank... meh.. -pours it all in-

LOL.....I just did a "shock" treatment today myself. I always add way more PS than reccomended.

I use Startron in every tank on my WVO car. Never had a fungus problem so I assume it works.

Cheers,

Bill

markg612 · #23 08-24-2006, 01:26 PM

FYI FROM PETER WITH STARBRITE:

Mark,

I had the opportunity while at airport to go to the Mercedes pages you attached and saw some responses which I would like to clarify. Not being a member I could not do so.

1. A couple messages talked about BioBor and how well it worked and StarTron did not, for bugs. BioBor is a fine product. It kills the bugs , but the dead bugs settle to bottom of tank and acid forms and throws off the PH of the fuel over time. I have seen in marine diesel tanks were there was a 1" thick layer of dead bugs and goop. Long term that is a problem and requires professional cleaning. If you really check with the professional cleaning people they use StarTron to finish the job and polish the tanks after they remove most of the goop. Star Tron does not kill anything and if you are looking for dead bugs you will not find them. What happens is the enzymes break down the bugs into sub micro size particles and the particles are burn thru the engine. Therefore if you take a tank with bugs and add StarTron it looks like it is doing nothing. However over time the bugs disappear like magic. This is one of the problems of visibly demonstrating StarTron working and people like BioBor and other additive people then say "see it did kill the bugs and their product did" However with use of StarTron no bugs form and the tanks and filter stay clean. Also a key point that we make in our literature is that if used in extremely dirty tanks be prepared to clean your filters the first time you use, as StarTron will loosen and clean so much dirt so quickly it will over load the filters before the enzymes can completely break down the bugs to sub micro sizes and be burned thru. Also keep in mind BioBor is an extreme poisons and needs to be handled with great care. We make the same product as BioBor and it is called BioDiesel and can be seen on our website. We know the dangers and in due time these products will be banned due to their environmental dangers and impact.

2. The above info holds true for water and other additives showing water and fuel in a beaker and then adding StarTron and nothing happens. We do not couple water to the fuel like many alcohol and ether additives do. StarTron breaks the water molecules to micro size and burns them thru over time. Part of the problem E10 fuels and BioDiesel have is to much water in the fuel and therefore ends up in phase separation. Phase separation comes from to much water in the fuel held there by the ethanol (alcohol) and with any temperature variation breaks out and causes phase separation. StarTron stops this by droppings the water out of the fuel and breaking the water down by enzyme action into micro clusters and then is burned thru safely. You can not see this in a beaker test. What you do see is over time you have no water problems in your fuel with use of StarTron.

Since your Mercedes guys seem very astute I thought I would give you some of the reasons why StarTron works and that standard tests and viewing do not really tell the story until you fully understand the operational side of enzymes. We have many detractors and they do the standard tests and say "SEE". However when you use the product as you have done all of a sudden the product works all the while the standard tests say it does not. The proof is in the pudding, use it and the results will prove themselves as you have seen.

Hope this info helps.

Regards,
Peter

Old300D · #24 08-24-2006, 01:45 PM

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We make the same product as BioBor and it is called BioDiesel and can be seen on our website.

That's interesting....

riethoven · #25 08-24-2006, 02:08 PM

It's not Starbrite it's Startron

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Originally Posted by xafman

Startron is a StarBrite product.

My cousin called it Starbrite but it is in fact Startron by Starbrite.

Hatterasguy · #26 08-24-2006, 09:24 PM

Well maybe I didn't give it enough time to work, I look at it this way:

The tank on my SDL is perfectly clean. I can add as much Biobor or Startron as I like and nothing. Since there is nothing to kill.

Now my line of thinking is if Startron is doing its job, eventualy it should run out of stuff to break down. And adding Biobor after should produce nothing in the filters because there is nothing to kill.

I'm not saying it doesn't work, I am saying its a new product and it has not proven to me at least that it works quite yet. But you know I'll buy another bottle and give it a second try. The SD's fuel problem is pretty much cleared up but I'll see what it does this time around.

Interesting FYI about Biobor, is it kills toe fungus. Lots of people in the USVI/BVI have this problem since its so, well wet. Swab a little around the nail and it will clear it up without having to go on any of the drugs your supposed to use for that stuff. Costs $20 vs what $500+ for the drugs?

bill murrow · #27 08-25-2006, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Interesting FYI about Biobor, is it kills toe fungus. Lots of people in the USVI/BVI have this problem since its so, well wet. Swab a little around the nail and it will clear it up without having to go on any of the drugs your supposed to use for that stuff. Costs $20 vs what $500+ for the drugs?

And how do you know that, Dr. Hattie?

I guess I'll sell my Lamisil stock.

Cheers,

Bill