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The one that came with the car was bad, so we put a new one in. It worked for a while. That's the one that's in it now. I actually had something to do with the failure of this one, I think... remember when I bumped the white oak in January trying to get to school? We drove it home from that one to start fixing things, and didn't notice until we got there that a fan blade had just hooked in the radiator enough to prevent its movement. I think I roasted my own clutch doing that and we're just now realizing that it's truly dead. It definitely freewheels when the engine compartment is hot enough to lock it up.
We bought a replacement (unfortunately from somewhere else) that turned out to be defective from the moment we bolted it up to the car... still waiting to see if that refund works out. it was brand new... planning to wait on that issue to be settled and then buy the 606 parts (prob. from here) and stick them in and hope it works. |
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Upper hose almost burns you to touch it, as does the top plastic bit of the radiator. Hot coolant is definitely getting everywhere.
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I replaced the fan and clutch on my 87 300TD with an 11-blade combo I found at the junk yard. They work great and cost me a few bucks and an hour and a half searching the yard and pulling what I needed. That allen bolt is a pain to get out though! Since the heads in these cars are prone to cracking when overheated (mine did with the previous owner), is there anything else we can do to keep the engine cool? Anybody install a temp activated buzzer?
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I just did the very late m606 water pump (larger diameter impeller - metal) but that requires a late housing (you must buy OE) and then machine and tap a few holes.
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The radiators tend to get corroded internally (not visible), which reduces thermal transfer. I had a dealer radiator only last 5 years before temps skyrocketed, after changing everything else with no results, a new radiator dropped temps from 110°C down to 90°C in Sacramento summer heat. Go figure. Make sure the radiator & condenser fins are clean (blow out with compressed air and water, from back to front) and also pull the electric fan to clean out the crud behind it. Anything that impedes airflow will hurt, and can also prevent the fan clutch from engaging. The plastic coolant reservoir tank should be replaced if it's original. There is an updated tank which has a silica pack inside, which helps control the corrosion. The new tank is about $50 wholesale, part # 124-500-18-49. Side note... if you haven't yet read my 1987 300D/TD "buyer's guide" (sorry if this is a duplicate post), you might want to check it out - it's at this link: http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/articles/124.1x3_buying_tips.txt |
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Cool buyers guide.
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clairification
The fan clutch for the OM602.911 and OM603.91 is P/N 603 200 00 22 The bimetal spring is silver grey with a silver colored sticker.
The fan clutch for the OM602.96 and OM603.96 is P/N 603 200 04 22 The bimetal spring is metal-colored with a red imprinted part number. The OM602/3.911 are non-turbo motors, anyone Know how the non-turbo fan clutch would hold up on a turbo motor? Quote:
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Keeping a fan clutch upright during shipping?
I'm thinking about putting the 606 fan and clutch on my 603. Having both cars side by side in my garage makes it easy to compare; the 603 has about half an inch less clearance between the fan blade and the radiator (1-1/4" vs. 1-3/4") than the 606 but the 606 plastic fan should not flex so much as to hit the 603 radiator.
One question about buying a new fan clutch: the manuals and threads here all say that when you take the fan and clutch off of your engine, you should store it standing up, that if you lay it down the silicone will drain out. How does this apply (or not) to buying a new clutch and having it shipped in from East Wherever? Clearly, the box may end up in any orientation during shipping. Yet no one reports having a problem. Am I missing something? Jeremy
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Does anybody know if this type of water pump,
http://catalog.worldpac.com/mercedesshop/sophio/quote.jsp?clientid=catalog.mercedesshop&cookieid=2E70WNSVV2EE0TH1G1&baseurl=http://catalog.peachparts.com/&partner=mercedesshop&year=1984&product=G3000-95807&application=000383042 can be a drop in fit to a 617 engine and will a 606 fan clutch with an 11-blade plastic fan blade fits on tha european water pump above? I would love to upgrade the cooling system of '85 300D Turbo W123 with 617 engine to be equipped with a clutch and fan blade of a W210. The link above is a european water pump that I found at the Buy Parts button, Fastlane.
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I read the same thing in the manual about storing the fan clutch standing up, mine came from buymbparts packed in a box standing up.
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You get what you pay for.
OK, so my new fan clutch arrived in a box lying down. Some of the silicone had leaked but not a lot, by the look of the stain on the box. Hopefully it will work. It was an eBay cheapo, probably made in China, no part numbers or made-in-wherever marked on it.
The 603 engine in the 124 chassis has about half an inch less clearance to the radiator than the 606 engine in the 210 chassis but I don't think there will be a problem. The screws that attach the plastic fan to the 606 clutch are M6x1.0 Allen-head cap screws about half an inch long (12-13mm). I'll probably use a little blue Loc-tite on the screws, wouldn't want them to come off. I notice that the 606 fan has "polarity" -- the fan blades are closer to one side of the hub. That closer side goes towards the engine so that the nasty blades stay a bit farther from the radiator. The order is fan blade, then clutch, then water pump. Jeremy
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"Buster" in the '95 Our all-Diesel family 1996 E300D (W210) . .338,000 miles Wife's car 2005 E320 CDI . . 113,000 miles My car Santa Rosa population 176,762 (2022) Total. . . . . . . . . . . . 627,762 "Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz." -- Janis Joplin, October 1, 1970 |
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Be careful with them, I got a "Behr" for my 560... turned out it's made in you know where and is stuck fully locked.
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