Which Oil Should I use for this winter? - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

pawoSD · #16 08-29-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rg2098

You just had to open open your mouth about oil. I run 0-40 all winter myself.

Yeah I couldn't resist the temptation.....

I now have the 5w40 in there, and it seems to run quieter, and when I turn it off it doesn't shake the car as much. I am pleased.

Hatterasguy · #17 08-29-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by vstech

I thought that the slow cranking in extreme cold weather was caused by voltage drops. because the battery is not working well at low temps... I hope you are plugging in your car to keep the engine warm in extreme cold temps...
John

Not with a good battery. Oil most certainly causes a ton of drag. And Mobil 1 of any weight flows better. Its synthetic cold temps don't affect it as much.

Back in December of 41 the Germans had to light fires under the Panzer 4's oil pans before before they could even crank them.

-30 degrees with mineral oil=tar.

WD8CDH · #18 08-30-2006, 04:01 PM

I just spent some time looking at lables on various 10W40 conventional oils. The only brands that I found with a diesel rating were Mobil and Wolfs Head. Both were CF which is better than the CD oils of the '80s but the current best rating is CI-4. I wouldn't have a problem with putting a 10W40 (0r 5W30) conventional oil in my MBs this winter if it had a CF rating.

I haven't decided if I will switch to a synthetic yet. Depends on how many miles I expect to drive this winter. Basically, I won't use a conventional oil if I expect to drive too many miles to make it thru the winter on only one oil change. (too old to change the oil myself in the dead of winter now)

Hatterasguy · #19 08-30-2006, 05:26 PM

[QUOTE=pawoSD;1261101] to a Oil Distributor about 6 miles away, so I went there, and got a Case of it, four 1 gallon bottles for $133!!!!

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I didn't realize that it was that expensive!

Just bought two gallons of that stuff and a filter from the dealer, they charged me $57 with tax.

$5 per quart...

#20 08-30-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

I didn't realize that it was that expensive!

Just bought two gallons of that stuff and a filter from the dealer, they charged me $57 with tax.

$5 per quart...

That is high, I just order a bunch of quarts for "full price" of $6.99. The only problem is they haven't shipped it yet, I'm beginning to wonder is they actually have it in stock.

pawoSD · #21 08-30-2006, 05:33 PM

[QUOTE=Hatterasguy;1262461]

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

to a Oil Distributor about 6 miles away, so I went there, and got a Case of it, four 1 gallon bottles for $133!!!!

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I didn't realize that it was that expensive!

Just bought two gallons of that stuff and a filter from the dealer, they charged me $57 with tax.

$5 per quart...

Is it the exact same stuff though? I got the Mobil1 5w40 "Heavy Duty TurboDiesel Full Synthetic" Oil.....Autozone sells the "Mobil1 0w40 diesel or gas engine rated full synthetic" for $5.79 a quart.... my dad might use that this winter, he's too cheap to use what I am....hey its only $8.21 a qt!

I'm not changing my oil again till I roll over 250k.

Hatterasguy · #22 08-30-2006, 05:35 PM

Actualy its old stock. Mobil Delvac 1 5w40 on the jug. I'm sure when they re order I may not get such favorable pricing.

Whats the new stuff called? Turbo diesel oil??

#23 08-30-2006, 05:50 PM

Up here in Canada many of us Diesel guys use 0W40 or 0W30 synthetic. Caterpiller has a synthetic oil made for it that is used on the huge trucks etc up in the arctic diamond mines and that costs about 5.00 C$ per litre/quart and makes quite a significant difference on winter starting.

TNT

#24 08-30-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Actualy its old stock. Mobil Delvac 1 5w40 on the jug. I'm sure when they re order I may not get such favorable pricing.

Whats the new stuff called? Turbo diesel oil??

This is the new packaging, seems to still be the same as D1:

http://www.mobil1.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Turbo_Diesel_Truck_5W-40.aspx

markg612 · #25 08-30-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

Dealership OEM oil filter too, that was $17.)

Why oh why would you pay 17 dollars for a filter from the dealer? MB designs, engineers as assembles vehicles from parts provided by OEM suppliers. That $17 OEM oil filter you just blew your last dime on is the same identical filter you'll find in the box when you by a Hengst.

If you don't believe this to be true, what is the OTHER number extruded into the handle end of the filter next to the 601 number?
E170HN D16 E196HN D03
Ooops, yeah, well, so far as the oil, you live in Michigan, a cold weather state just like Minnesota, and as we all know cold starting is the destroyer of all internal combustion engines, and especially diesels. The destruction and wear imparted to the high fiction parts of the engine in sub freezing temperature starts some suggest are equivalent to tens of thousands of miles of operation. Block heaters are misunderstood, while they provide sure and quick startup with improved warm up, the real benefit is the wear savings to the fiction components that receive proper lubrication because the oil and component temperatures are at a point more conducive to lubrication under the load of combustion and operation.

MB recommends Mobil 1 0W40 for virtually all application last I checked. The deal has MB technical service order that detail viscosity recommendations for all models back to Rudolf Diesels day.

pawoSD · #26 08-30-2006, 07:03 PM

Actually, how would the MB OEM filter be a Hengst, Hatterasguy has cut both of them apart and found that the OEM one had a high quality cotton content inside, while the Hengst ones had the run of the mill cotton gin waste in them. Also, the Hengst ones are made in Germany, the MB OEM ones are made in Austria. With shipping from the web site the Hengst one would have been $16 anyways, and I didn't want to order $100 of stuff to get free shipping. I won't need another oil filter for about 5-6 months at least...plus, the OEM one comes in a pretty MB box....

markg612 · #27 08-30-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WD8CDH

I just spent some time looking at labels on various 10W40 conventional oils. The only brands that I found with a diesel rating were Mobil and Wolfs Head. Both were CF which is better than the CD oils of the '80s but the current best rating is CI-4. I wouldn't have a problem with putting a 10W40 (0r 5W30) conventional oil in my MBs this winter if it had a CF rating.

10W40 is probably the worst motor oil on the planet. It bears a strange reputation for having the highest content of VI improvers to achieve said viscosity. For any given quart or liter of motor oil, the more VI improvers in the the mix, and these compounds know as polymers are a form of plastic, the less oil and under high load conditions especially at startup in a cold engine, these polymers tend to give way under load where oil should be and isn't.

MB recommends Mobile 1 0W40 for virtually every engine back to Rudolf's first production model. Mobile's 5w40 would be an excellent choice as well. Check the TSB, it details what I've mentioned here.

Valvoline manufactures 2 excellent high detergent products that meat CI-4 and CF certification. SynPower 5W40 which I prefer for winter and Premium Blue 15W40 which I prefer for summer. I know there are folks that swear by Mobile and MB recommends it first and foremost for all its engines, but the information I have read over the years seems to repeat itself. Valvoline has the best additive and detergent package to keep the engine clean and deposit free, and specific to the products I mentioned below. Polymers can't carry the lubrication and pressure load oil molecules can. The Premium Blue as my summer oil is the cleaning cycle, the SynPower 5W40 my winter oil and is the friction guard in the sub freezing temps.

Checking the chart, If I read it right you're good to 10°+F with 15w40. I would stick with 0W, 5W, synthetics and 15W diesel oils of the 40 weight variety and stay away from anything else, personally, but that's just me.

markg612 · #28 08-30-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

Actually, how would the MB OEM filter be a Hengst, Hatterasguy has cut both of them apart and found that the OEM one had a high quality cotton content inside, while the Hengst ones had the run of the mill cotton gin waste in them. Also, the Hengst ones are made in Germany, the MB OEM ones are made in Austria. With shipping from the web site the Hengst one would have been $16 anyways, and I didn't want to order $100 of stuff to get free shipping. I won't need another oil filter for about 5-6 months at least...plus, the OEM one comes in a pretty MB box....

$16, hum, Importec and Europeanautomotive dot coms both sell that filter for 7.10 or so.

Check the OEM part number, not the MB number, and run it on the web. MB has been favoring hengst for quite some time, but that doesn't mean they didn't switch to mann bosch or whoever. The engine wiring harness I replaced in my E320 was from poland. Who's to say the next filter you cut apart doesn't break in half on it's own like the last MB package one I bought in a pinched a few years back. it separated at the point were the filter meets steal sleeve. Also, what viable means is there to verify the quality of the filter material without test equipment? Just curious.

Hatterasguy · #29 08-30-2006, 10:39 PM

I cut apart a 603 oil filter, this is a different filter than the 617 uses. So my findings may not apply.

pawoSD · #30 08-31-2006, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

I cut apart a 603 oil filter, this is a different filter than the 617 uses. So my findings may not apply.

Thats true....hmm. The OEM and Hengst were quite a bit different though, different metal, different appearance etc....it doesn't really matter, I just didn't want to have to buy a whole bunch of them.