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Old 08-29-2006, 11:10 PM
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i know its alot better for the air to come in one side and the exhaust out the less... more efficient
You can get more volume (Larger tubes) around the valves to flow more air.

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Old 08-29-2006, 11:34 PM
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What models were the 606's used in?
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Old 08-29-2006, 11:40 PM
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in the us only the e class i believe.

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Old 08-29-2006, 11:40 PM
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What models were the 606's used in?
AFAIK, the 95-97 E300 Diesel.
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Old 08-29-2006, 11:44 PM
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AFAIK, the 95-97 E300 Diesel.
1998-99 as well.
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Old 08-30-2006, 12:07 AM
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Well if the glow plugs were removed and the holes reamed once a year there probably wouldn't be a problem. Considering how simple it is to get at the glow plugs on a turbo charged 606, this is pretty simple.

But yes this is a bit of a down side. But what can you do nothing is perfect.
Wow, there's a GP reamer for the 606 on eBay $135
If I owned a 606 I'd be reaming it every year or 18 months. Having seen a GP break off on two occasions in these new fangled engines, its an accident waiting to happen!
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Wouldn't anti-seize help on the glowplugs? What makes the 606 plugs special that makes them stick?
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Old 08-30-2006, 05:48 PM
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Wouldn't anti-seize help on the glowplugs? What makes the 606 plugs special that makes them stick?
Its not the threads that seize. The glow plug eliment is very long and carbon builds up around it. Thats why the reamer is important.
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Old 08-30-2006, 07:11 PM
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does somebody has the schematics for the 603 or 606 engines to check that cross flow pattern in the head?
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Didn't MB use the 603 and 606 in the Sprinter vans?
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I am also interested in what was improved from OM617 to OM 60x and beyond... I don't think the thread starter was trying to compare one engine to another other than to find out what changed (and improved efficiency/hp)


From the 617 to the 603, didnt the change the shape/size of the prechambers ?
Did Injection pressures remain constant throughout ?
Didnt the injectors change between the 617 and the 603's ?
Bore x Stroke ratio changes ? did they change this ?


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Old 08-30-2006, 08:27 PM
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Didn't MB use the 603 and 606 in the Sprinter vans?
They use the OM612 (2.7L, I-5, CDI) in the sprinters. I hear they will use the 3.2 V6 CDI in the 07 models.

I know there are gobs of engine choices in europe, but only the one CDI over here.
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Old 08-30-2006, 08:33 PM
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They use the OM612 (2.7L, I-5, CDI) in the sprinters. I hear they will use the 3.2 V6 CDI in the 07 models.

I know there are gobs of engine choices in europe, but only the one CDI over here.
my neighbors father in law drives a sprinter as his daily truck(shipping company plus its his personal truck) it has the I-5.. hes waiting for the new one with the new engine to come out so he can upgrade. those vans are pretty quick.. alot faster than my 300D
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Old 08-30-2006, 10:19 PM
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They use the OM612 (2.7L, I-5, CDI) in the sprinters. I hear they will use the 3.2 V6 CDI in the 07 models.

I know there are gobs of engine choices in europe, but only the one CDI over here.
I was thinking of the 90's European/rest of the world versions.
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I was thinking of the 90's European/rest of the world versions.
Only one I'm aware of, pre-CDI, is the inline 5, OM602.946.

It was a 2.9 liter version of the old 2.5 we're familiar with. It utilized direct injection, although Mercedes took a step back from the 606 and went back in time to the 2-valve per cylinder head, for some reason.



Different valve cover and intake manifold, too.

Hard to find information about Euro models. Likely earlier versions have the 603/606 engine.

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