Copper Washers Supplied w/ Oil Filter? - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Johnhef · #16 09-10-2006, 09:28 PM

wait- did you mean the rubber ones or copper ones? the 617 filters come with only the rubber one for the housing. the 603's come with the ones for the oil filter lid as well as the large rubber one but neither have the two small rubber ones for the base of the shaft. on the other hand a filter for a 116/117 comes with the large copper crush ring for SL oil pans as well as the smaller ones for sedans/coupes with the usual style oil pan.

they should just give you the right ones with al filters, does it really cost that much more if youre giving them $20-30 ($9 for me

) for a dealer oil filter?

bill murrow · #17 09-10-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnhef

wait- did you mean the rubber ones or copper ones? the 617 filters come with only the rubber one for the housing. the 603's come with the ones for the oil filter lid as well as the large rubber one but neither have the two small rubber ones for the base of the shaft. on the other hand a filter for a 116/117 comes with the large copper crush ring for SL oil pans as well as the smaller ones for sedans/coupes with the usual style oil pan.

they should just give you the right ones with al filters, does it really cost that much more if youre giving them $20-30 ($9 for me

) for a dealer oil filter?

John,
My 617 Mann filters come with 2 crush washers- 1 copper, 1 steel, the big oring for the filter housing, and every once in a great while I'll get the smaller orings that go on the filter housing stem in addition to the above.

Big markup on those stealership filters. Kinda cool getting the inside scoop.

Cheers,

Bill

pawoSD · #18 09-11-2006, 12:48 AM

So the Fram Filter is best or equal to the dealer/OEM ones in quality? I can get fram ones right from autozone for like $8-9....if they are good I'll just get those! When I got my OEM oil filter it came with the housing rubber ring, (normal one) and also a rubber ring of the same size but it was 2x as thick. However, no crush washers. The Hengst ones always come with steel/copper washers and the rubber gasket. So do the Fram's, I checked one out at Autozone, says they're made in Turkey. Are they good? I'll buy those if they are....the dealer ones are $15. I want the best filter I can get since I now run my oil 5k (synthetic)

speedy300Dturbo · #19 09-11-2006, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnhef

they should just give you the right ones with al filters, does it really cost that much more if youre giving them $20-30 ($9 for me

) for a dealer oil filter?

Geez, what dealer charges that much for an OE oil filter? The last time I bought one at the MB dealer for my 603, it was $8 and change!

#20 09-11-2006, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

So the Fram Filter is best or equal to the dealer/OEM ones in quality?

Only the one made in Turkey. The others (Mexico, india) are trash.

pawoSD · #21 09-11-2006, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Only the one made in Turkey. The others (Mexico, india) are trash.

Hengst ones are made in Germany and the OEM/dealer ones are made in Austria. I have heard that the Hengst ones have the junk in them too though....and that only Fram or OEM = good.

retmil46 · #22 09-11-2006, 01:51 AM

I like this setup on the MB, with the built-in bypass section. With a properly cleaned-out filler tube, how much difference does the bypass section make in the condition of the oil?

Oil filter "discussions" are nothing new to me. Oughta go look on the LOST KJ CRD forum. Probably at least four different multi-page threads on oil filters and oil, and those bloody things have only been on the road for a year and a half.

That's one of my peeves with the CRD. They slung the oil filter under and behind the engine, such that without skid plates even a decent sized road gator could take it out, much less what could happen if you went off road with the beast. Plus the fact that they only used a spin-on full flow filter, oil turns black again 5 minutes after you've changed it.

Shorebilly · #23 09-11-2006, 07:52 AM

G'mornin' Folks,

I am compelled to chime in here......

1st) they are not "crush" washers in the true sense of the word! They are seal rings!!

2) When you heat them, and then cool then, it softens the copper....called anealing.....there is another post someplace relating to "Banjo" fittings where I mention this.

3) Save all of those extra copper washers.....they are used all over the place, in German tubing fittings.....they are also sized to DIN standards. You may find that extra copper to be really handy in your fuel injektion, auto transmission, or hydraulic leveling systems.

I personally prefer MANN (Mann & Hummell) filters, I suppose because their products are used industrially in all sorts of systems, and I am most familiar with them.

SB