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Glow Plugs Death/ IP Timing?
I recently had an entire set of glow plugs go bad after about 6000 miles of use. They were all replaced with new Autolite GP's because that is what I had available at the time. Within about 4 months one of the plugs went bad and I dealt with it by ignoring it and using the block heater. It finally got to the point it did not want to start even with the block heater and I pulled them and replaced them, all of them were bad, as in no resistance at all.
Anyway, I badgered the parts store into replacing all of them for free and now 2 months later one has gone out. I am going to replace them with the bosch replacements before winter sets in. However one of the people I talked to about the issue mentioned that he had seen this type of problem occur when the IP timing is offf and causing predetonation. Basically the shock of the predetonation was killing the GP's? Has anyone heard of this type of problem? The car runs like a topp and I would expect that there would be some performance problems if my IP timing was off enough to cause predetonation. Maybe he just wanted to sell me another set of autolight GP's Thanks, Stephen
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85 300D 305K miles WVO(105K so far), Mine 82 300SD 235K miles BIO-D, Wifes 96 F250 SC PSD 4X4 285K MILES BIO-D, Ours 89 BRONCO 182K MILES sold Finally Compression Ignition Only! |
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I am having that exact problem with my 6.5 chevy diesel new glow plugs gone 4 months later Truck been running just a little rough too i guess it is time pull the new IP out of the box Maybe my vehicles just have been around too long like me
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commercial fisherman diesel in my blood in my boats trucks and Dear old Dad has had me drivin them since i got my first license in 1968 1986 300 SDL 427654 1999 Chevy Crew Cab Dually 225423 1986 300 SDL 287000 Dad's 1987 190 Turbo 158000 Mom's (my inheritance) |
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AUTOLITE?
1.) dont use the autolite plugs again or champion for that matter. get the bosch. 2.) get a reamer and clean out the holes before installing the new ones. they're probabaly buring out due to carbon build up or 3.) glow plug relay is faulty and keeping them on much longer then theyre supposed to be. easy to verify with a meter after the car has been running a few minutes.
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1980 500SE/AMG Euro 1981 500SEL Euro 1982 380SEL 1983 300TD 1983 500SEC/AMG Euro 1984 500SEC 1984 300TD Euro 1986 190E 2.3-16 1986 190E 2.3 1987 300D 1997 C36 AMG 2003 C320T 4matic past: 1969 280SE 4.5 | 1978 240D | 1978 300D | 1981 300SD | 1981 300SD | 1982 300CD | 1983 300CD | 1983 300SD | 1983 380SEC | 1984 300D | 1984 300D | 1984 300TD | 1984 500SEL | 1984 300SD | 1985 300D | 1986 300E | 1986 560SEL | 1986 560SEL/Carat | 1987 560SEC | 1991 300D 2.5 | 2006 R350 |
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There is only one problem with that vehicle:
Autolite glow plugs. |
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'83 240D with 617.952 and 2.88 '01 VW Beetle TDI '05 Jeep Liberty CRD '89 Toyota 4x4, needs 2L-T '78 280Z with L28ET - 12.86@110 Oil Burner Kartel #35 http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1...oD/bioclip.jpg |
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To allay any suspicions of the primary timing being advanced too far. Just read one of the new plugs voltage output after engine is warmed up for it's milli volt output. Any reading of less than 13 milli volts is okay. I tend to agree it probably is the plug brand, carbon buildup or relay on continually as others have mentioned.
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Reamer?!
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Any suggestions?
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1987 Mercedes 300SDL; SOLD 1985 Mercedes 300D; SOLD 2006 Honda Pilot - wife's ride; 122K; 1995 Toyota Land Cruiser - 3X locked; 182K |
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Its cheap enough to buy- about $50 though any major tool dealer. dealers might be able to get them too if someone can come up with the part #.
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1980 500SE/AMG Euro 1981 500SEL Euro 1982 380SEL 1983 300TD 1983 500SEC/AMG Euro 1984 500SEC 1984 300TD Euro 1986 190E 2.3-16 1986 190E 2.3 1987 300D 1997 C36 AMG 2003 C320T 4matic past: 1969 280SE 4.5 | 1978 240D | 1978 300D | 1981 300SD | 1981 300SD | 1982 300CD | 1983 300CD | 1983 300SD | 1983 380SEC | 1984 300D | 1984 300D | 1984 300TD | 1984 500SEL | 1984 300SD | 1985 300D | 1986 300E | 1986 560SEL | 1986 560SEL/Carat | 1987 560SEC | 1991 300D 2.5 | 2006 R350 |
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Phil (FASTLANE above) got me one for my 606. It came from Baumtools.com. I think it was $56. Did a good job. I know that have other reamers for other engine types.
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I had the exact same problems with the autolites I put in my car. Replaced with bosch and problem solved.
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My Champions in the SD have been kickin' ass and takin' names for over 18 months now in the SD...
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I'm not a doctor, but I'll have a look. '85 300SD 245k '87 300SDL 251k '90 300SEL 326k Six others from BMW, GM, and Ford. Liberty will not descend to a people; a people must raise themselves to liberty.[/IMG] |
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I had a set of 4 new champion loop style for the 240D once, put them in and the car wouldn't even start. put the old ones back in and it fired right up.
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1980 500SE/AMG Euro 1981 500SEL Euro 1982 380SEL 1983 300TD 1983 500SEC/AMG Euro 1984 500SEC 1984 300TD Euro 1986 190E 2.3-16 1986 190E 2.3 1987 300D 1997 C36 AMG 2003 C320T 4matic past: 1969 280SE 4.5 | 1978 240D | 1978 300D | 1981 300SD | 1981 300SD | 1982 300CD | 1983 300CD | 1983 300SD | 1983 380SEC | 1984 300D | 1984 300D | 1984 300TD | 1984 500SEL | 1984 300SD | 1985 300D | 1986 300E | 1986 560SEL | 1986 560SEL/Carat | 1987 560SEC | 1991 300D 2.5 | 2006 R350 |
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Different style plugs.
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I'm not a doctor, but I'll have a look. '85 300SD 245k '87 300SDL 251k '90 300SEL 326k Six others from BMW, GM, and Ford. Liberty will not descend to a people; a people must raise themselves to liberty.[/IMG] |
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Off brand glow plugs.
Same basic problem though. Poor to non existent quality control in some products. Found simular problems from time to time with sparkplugs as well. Some off brand batches seem to last but generally not worth the chance. You could even get a bad batch of borch but far less likely.
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An MB shop owner friend of mine had a car in a couple months ago with a hole in the top of a piston due to a Champion GP "tip" coming adrift.
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1985 Euro 240D 5 spd 140K 1979 240D 5 spd, 40K on engine rebuild 1994 Dodge/Cummins, 5 spd, 121K 1964 Allice Chalmers D15 tractor 2014 Kubota L3800 tractor 1964 VW bug "Lifes too short to drive a boring car" |
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