Passenger Tire Turns Too Much
I bought an '83 300D three weeks ago. 202,000 miles, no rust, everything except A/C and cruise control works.
About a week ago when I was backing-up and turned hard to the right (passenger side), there was a jolt in the steering. I got out and it looked like the passenger wheel was turned too far. It happened again Friday. (Last time I drove it.) I jacked it up to look for loose components/wheel play. Everything was rock solid. I did notice some bushings were shot and that there was a slight positive camber on the wheel. The car handles great at all speeds-no shakes or vibrations, steering is quite responsive. I was planning on replacing most of the suspension components in the spring, but in the meantime- Does anyone know what is causing the wheel to "over-turn?" And-Is it safe to drive? This is my first post-I looked all over for a previous mention of this and didn't find anything. So, if I missed it, or I'm posting in the wrong place, please ridicule me and point me in the right direction. Thanks! Rich |
When I back up while turning the steering wheel to the left [or is it right?], my tire hits the tie rod and locks my steering. Very abrupt and scary. I had a front end rebuild, then alignment, and I'm guessing the alignment was bad. Guide rod on passenger side is adjusted waaaay different than drivers side, and I think that is causing the problem. Pulls hard to the right too....(still :( )
btw, congrats on the new car. You will enjoy it, and you will always have a way to kill any free time......:D |
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tom w |
Don't forget the inside tire has to turn a tighter radius than the outside tire.
Does the drivers tire do the same when you turn the other direction? |
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(I found this out when trying to develop a DIY alignment procedure.) |
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Check the upper control arm bushings and swaybar pivot bushings AND mounts. When you brake does it pull toward the side that overturns? |
Hey-thanks for all the replies and good wishes! I hope this thread can solve Jimmy's problem, too.
In response to the replies: The car brakes fine, does not pull, shake, or make noise even under hard braking. I think it's more than a wierd visual-the tire hits a rod (strut?) in the wheel well and it takes a good tug on the steering wheel to get the tire back. It's never done this while turning left. I don't want to try it again under load for fear of it staying that way or damaging the power steering. I will get it up on jacks this weekend and try it in both directions. Also, manuals should be here tomorrow so I can properly identify bushings and other components. (Many thanks for your patience!) And..uh...oops, that would be negative camber on the front passenger wheel-tilting out at the bottom. BTW-tire wear is even on all wheels. Rich |
the tire should definately not be hitting anything. so you have some kind of a problem. you will just have to start wiggling everything. you need to unload the suspension in a particlular way to check the ball joints though.
good luck tom w |
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I have returned with an update on my over-achieving wheel and another question.
First-all 4 tie rod bushings are shot, so I will replace both rods. I found a good thread on doing this, should be no sweat if I can locate a ball joint removal tool. Second-I noticed that the passenger side tie rod was adjusted out a bit more than the driver's side (about 5-6 threads total). Might explain the toe out. Third- The tire hits the rod going from the frame to the lower A arm. (Horizontal support rod? Sorry, I can't find it labeled anywhere.) So my plan is to replace the the tie rods and have an alignment and see where I am after that. Any comments/suggestions? Here's my question-what stops the steering linkage from travelling left or right? Is it something in the steering box? A detent somewhere else? All help is greatly appreciated! Rich |
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