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About 58 degrees this morning and no go. I gave her a couple long cranks and she didn't have any signs of life. I didn't want to kill the battery so I hooked the strip fuse back up. Lots of unburned fuel in the system! Fired right up with an RPM spike and lots of smoke.
So I guess the 603 will simply not start cold like a 617 will. Interesting bet it has to do with the head design.
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Verdict is in?
Aha! Perhaps we now have proof/evidence that the 603's will not start without GP's. Now I don't feel so inadequate because mine wouldn't start without them.
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Why wouldn't the engine be able to start? If it has fuel and the valves are closing and the compression is good then shouldn't it start after some cranking?
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Even with a short glow these motors dont start up always or idle well. The aluminum sucks up the heat I'd venture to guess.
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Yeah its strange. My tired 617 will start without glow plugs. Strange must be part of the 603's design.
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They dont' have glowplugs. The Cummins uses a heating grid/element.
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I wonder why Dodge can start with no plugs but the Powerjokes (They have the same compression ratio as the Cummins) can't start cold without plugs.
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i wonder why powersmokes have GP's and the cummins have a heating element. Its amazing!
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Last winter, a friend of mine started the diesel engine in his boat with the help of a burning piece of paper in front of the air intake, and it started. I will try a hair blower this winter, maybe that works too. Any thoughts?
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hahaha I've actually used a hairdryer to get a 617 to start before...
Had an 82 300D I took home in the winter and was about to drive to work the next morning and it did not want to start. I knew it had some dead plugs so I had left the blockl heater plugged in overnight. Well, so then I learned the block heater element was burned out. Strapped up a hairdryer directly over the opening in the filter housing and let it run a few minutes then fired it up. On another occasion I've used a torpedo heater infront of the radiator to heat one up enough to start (but only when the hairdryer won't work )
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My SD started right up this morning at 32 deg WITHOUT glowplugs. Took about 4-5 seconds of cranking.
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Powerstroke Diesels, the 7.3L T444E and 6.0L VT365E are designed by International. the Cummins Design has been the toaster oven element design for a while. Which is great for roasting marshmellows when camping!
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Yeah I don't lnow why anyone would not check to make sure they are working, and fix them if they were not. There is no reason not to use them.
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