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Diesel Escort

In 1984, I had a Ford Escort with a mitsubishi diesel in it. Good thing too, I was in college and had very little money. That car got ungodly mileage along with the 4-speed manual.
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Old 10-12-2006, 11:16 AM
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No I don't want to look, but I did anyway. Now I'm annoyed that I can't get one overhear.

Hopefully with ULSD we will see more diesel cars.
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Old 10-12-2006, 11:35 AM
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I have to show the wife this. It has both going for it, it's a wagon, and a diesel. Oh wait, I have a TD that is the same thing.. Make it two different things, it's a stick, and new.
My experience with Honda's hasnt' been as stellar as everyone else's.
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Old 10-12-2006, 11:39 AM
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I have to show the wife this. It has both going for it, it's a wagon, and a diesel. Oh wait, I have a TD that is the same thing.. Make it two different things, it's a stick, and new.
My experience with Honda's hasnt' been as stellar as everyone else's.
My uncles experiance hasnt been the best with his 98 honda civic either. He hates the damn thing to many things breaking. But from what ive read this new honda diesel is supposed to be really good. I hope it sounds better then my moms passat
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Old 10-12-2006, 12:02 PM
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From what I have been told, all the Japanese car makers make a diesel for use on the European Continent. In fact, gasoline powered cars are actually in the minority there... I, at one time had a diesel powered Toyota Maxima. That was back in the mid 1980's. Great car, but the body didn't hold up well against the rust belt salt....
Is the Toyota Maxima the same as a Nissan Cressida?

That should be Nissan or Datsun, since they were changing the name plates then. Toyota made the Cressida. I had an '83 Maxima gasser, and my neighbor had the diesel one. The gasser ran faster, but the diesel lasted longer between fill ups. The diesel was an '84. Our ''83s badging had Datsun in bold with "by Nissan" in small letters. The 84 was badged Nissan. '85 is when the front drive Maxima's made it's debut.

That Honda is sweet. I wonder if we can grey market them?
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Old 10-16-2006, 04:17 PM
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Honda Diesel Article

When this arrive in the US, Mercedes and other car manufactures that make diesel cars will have real competition. Looks like this is going to be better than the Mercedes Bluetec (and urea) engines. What do you think?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/15/automobiles/15DIESEL.html
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Old 10-16-2006, 04:40 PM
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This type of product from Honda will bury GM and Ford even deeper as they have absolutely nothing on the drawing board.

WAIT! maybe GM can convert a gas engine to diesel!!
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Old 10-16-2006, 06:55 PM
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WAIT! maybe GM can convert a gas engine to diesel!!
What a briliant idea, they could be remembered forever
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No I don't want to look, but I did anyway. Now I'm annoyed that I can't get one overhear.

Hopefully with ULSD we will see more diesel cars.
I had to look...
now I'm jealous. Built by honda- actually looks kinda like an Acura RL. runs on diesel. wicked mpg. What the hell is wrong with our DEC, emissions clowns and auto marketing people that cant sell one of those here?!?!

... oh- and it's a manual.
GM, FOMOCO and the international manufacturers marketing ppl are really disappointing me here.

This car is georgeous.
I'm really disappointed.
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why no cool new small/midsize diesels in the US

does anyone have any explanations for why US have such a terrible small/midsize diesel car market. I hear TDI's are gonna stop being imported because of CA emission standards. You can't even get a good midsize to small diesel truck. I would think there would be a lot of guys and gals out there that would like more diesel options. unless its regulations.
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Old 10-16-2006, 07:30 PM
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well the answer is pretty simple and have been discussed multiple times in pretty much all auto blgs on this side of the pond.

CAFE standard advantages CO2 emissions (which are barely controlled in the USA) versus NOx emission (which are severely punished in the USA).
In Europe the focus of pollution is inverted and CO2 is considered the main culprit. Diesel emit more NOx than gasoline cars... therefore are at a disadvantage from the point of view of USA laws.
the fact that they are more CO2 efficient does not save them from being banned...
Another factor is that tax credits for "business" allow people to take exemptions up to 100000 dollars on the mst inefficient of all passenger transportation, giving a financial advantage in the USA to truck and SUV compared to cars.
Finally, cheap gas (read :"sparingly-taxed gas"; 3 or even 5 US$ a gallon is CHEAP) does not motivate consumers to purchase a more efficient vehicle. Add to that, the fact that diesel is more heavily taxed than gasoline in the USA (inverse is true pretty much everywhere else in the universe). And you have the quasi total absence of diesel offering in this country.

The less that glorious episode of the diesel Buick in the 80's did not help either but I don't think it is the core factor of the american light-duty diesel genocide.
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