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Old 10-18-2006, 11:54 PM
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talking E300 oil filters (we may be getting screwed)

Hey Philip,

As many of you know the new oil filters don't have the by-pass portion of the filter like the older diesel cars had, but a the same time the recommended oil drain interval has more than doubled. This worries me.I saw on an online parts place where the Mann filter for the E300 stated on the web page: "Original paper version for 000 180 26 09 fleece filter." Why would there be any switching?

I'm just wondering if MB intentially meant for the fleece filter to be used originally. Why are they different for the gas cars and the diesel ones? The two filters look about the same size from the picture. I don't want to run this thing in the ground. I just want to know that I'm using the correct oil filter for my car to clean out its oil. I hope you can understand. I wouldn't want to know what a full rebuild of a 606 would cost. Marshall Booth is on record saying that Mobil 1 has reduced by 1/2 the timing chain wear rate, and thus pretty much making the timing chain last unil 300,000 or 400,000 miles before 5 or so degrees of stretch are reached. This would make it last the life of the car for most of us. I just want to make sure that I'm not going backwards by using the wrong filter. I am in the Marine Corps Reserve. I'm going to Huntsville, AL for a drill weekend. On the way I'm going past Crown Mercedes in Birmingham(Hoover, AL). I'll ask them if MB made a change somewhere and look at the Mercedes-Benz branded filters

In the attatched file it says:

ACEA extended drain specifications for gasoline and diesel engines are A3/B3, A3/B4 and A5/B5. These specifications, such as the Mercedes Benz MB 229.5 allow for service up to 30,000km (18,641 miles) when used with a special fleece oil filter. Of note, only full synthetic oils have been able to meet the MB 229.5 specifications." ... "Synthetic filtration fibers are at the heart of extended drain interval filters and are beginning to become more widespread in their application. One of the more interesting developments in filter technology has apparently been driven by the need for a product that can withstand the ultra-long drain intervals of the MB 229.5 specification oils. MANN+HUMMEL has developed the filter that has a polyester fleece filter element design to work for the 30,000 kilometer (18,641 mile) drain interval, and incorporates a special support structure that helps the filter last. Furthermore, this filter dispenses with all metal – it is 100% plastic and therefore has a lower potential for environmental impact. While not widespread, the MANN+HUMMEL filter technology could be a glimpse at the future should extended drain intervals become the norm."



the new oil filters didn't look like they had a bypass filter like the old filters seemed to, but at the same time the oil filter change interval was more than doubled by the recommendation of the FSS system to go up to 10,000 to 18,000 miles. I read some about fleece oil filters that MB uses that supposedly by someone's message at eclassbenz.com:

In 1998, Mercedes introduced its Flexible Service System (FSS) oil life monitoring system. When used with approved long-life oils, FSS allows owners to extend their oil change interval to 10,000 to 20,000 miles, depending on driving conditions. The use of high quality, synthetic, long-life oils and long-life fleece oil filters is critical to going the extended distance between oil changes without harming the engine. A list of approved synthetic oils follows.

Specifically, you must use oil certified by Mercedes specs 229.5 or 229.51. Oils meeting the MB 229.3 spec are also okay, but not preferrable. The back of the oil bottle will indicate which MB specs it meets, if any. The 229.5/229.51 oils include:

* Mobil 1 ESP Formula M (5W-40) — 229.51
* Castrol Syntec European Formula (0W-30) — 229.5
* Elf Excellium (0W-30) — 229.5
* Mobil 1 Synthetic European Car Formula (OW-40) — 229.5
* Pennzoil Platinum Synthetic European Formula Ultra (5W-30)
- 229.5
* Quaker State European Formula Ultra (5W-30) — 229.5

Among these options, Mobil 1 0W-40 is the easiest to acquire and best all-around performer. This particular oil is even carried at Wal*Mart. At the time this story was posted, Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 had just been brought to market. This oil is superior, albeit more difficult to locate. Note that no other Mobil 1 oils are approved for use in any 1998+ Mercedes-Benz
car.

If you plan on following the FSS service intervals, you must also purchase fleece (as opposed to paper) oil filters. The fleece oil filters do a better job of filtering junk out of the oil and last longer than the cheaper paper variety. The fleece oil filters are available online from most any Mercedes parts vendor.

If you don’t plan to adhere to the FSS service intervals and will change your oil more frequently (e.g. every 5,000 miles), you can probably go with paper filters and good quality synthetic oil that meets the API SM and/or ACEA B3 specification.

http://www.mercedes-benz-parts-direct.com/mercedes/oil-fuel-automatic-transmission-filters-pans.asp

http://www.mema.org/cmspages/getAttch.php?id=102

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Old 10-19-2006, 08:35 AM
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I stopped by my local MB dealer (Reading, PA) last week. They are using 15W-50 in diesels. They said they discontinued using 0W-40 in diesels. I'm not saying this is right, I'm saying this is what they're doing.

When I've bought filters at the dealership (Camp Hill, PA and Reading, PA), I have always gotten what I think looks like a paper filter. (brown, not white) I've asked about the fleese filters, and the parts men just coldly point to the box they've handed me and said, that is the one for diesels.

The construction of the brown filter for the E300 is very similar in construction to the filter for the Porsche M96 engine (like boxsters). Porsche (prior to going to a 20K mile change interval) specified a oil filter change every other oil change. (yea, right) Yes....30K miles on an oil filter is the factory specification. Of course, none of us do that. (that I know)

Basically, I believe that this cartridge filter construction is very durable. 30K miles worth, I don't think so. 18K, probably not. But I feel pretty safe with 10K miles given my driving pattern (80% highway).

I'll take a couple hundred thousand miles to really find out. So far, my boxster does not use a quart in 10K miles. Neither does my E300. But, both cars, so far, are under 100K.

Time will tell....

(I'll be switching to 5W-40 as soon as it is available in my area)
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Old 10-19-2006, 10:11 AM
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All the new MB's use the fleece filter for the 13k drain intervials. I don't know how far back MB is going to go with them, I was under the impression that the M112/M113 were as old as MB was going. But MB has proved me wrong many times.


Much to do about nothing if you ask me, there are a number of 606's out there with over 300k miles on them and still going strong. Change the oil every 5k-8k miles and forget about it.

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