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bottom feeder 11-17-2006 06:19 PM

low oil pressure question
 
I recently bought a 85 300 TDT (california version.) When I bought it the oil pressure guage line was cut but it wasn't making any terrible noises so I assumed the pressure was ok. When I replaced it this week I noticed after the engine got to operating temp. (about 90F) the pressure would sometimes drop to "0" at idle and "1-2" at low rpms but go back up to 3 bar at higher rpms. Is there a pressure sensor on this version that might be bad?

Brian Carlton 11-17-2006 06:53 PM

The problem is that it's a mechanical gauge. There is no sending unit. The oil is sent directly to the instrument cluster.

You mentioned that the line was cut. How did you operate the vehicle under this condition? Oil would normally be everywhere.

What viscosity and type of oil are you running in it?

bottom feeder 11-17-2006 07:00 PM

Thanks for the response, Brian.

There was a plug in the filter housing and I am using Rotella 15/40.

Brian Carlton 11-17-2006 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bottom feeder (Post 1333690)
Thanks for the response, Brian.

There was a plug in the filter housing and I am using Rotella 15/40.

Your only hope is that the gauge is in error..........but........it's a longshot.

How's the blowby?

bottom feeder 11-17-2006 07:08 PM

There's no blowby at all. If not the gauge what do you think it might be?

Brian Carlton 11-17-2006 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bottom feeder (Post 1333698)
There's no blowby at all. If not the gauge what do you think it might be?

If the engine is in good shape, it's the gauge.

If the engine is not in good shape, the oil pressure at idle can get below 7 psi. This is not the best of circumstances.

Without any blowby, I'd be more inclined to disbelieve the gauge. See if you can hook up a standard oil pressure gauge outside the vehicle and get a good number from it.

bottom feeder 11-17-2006 07:16 PM

OK, thanks very much. I will try that.

t walgamuth 11-17-2006 07:41 PM

the cut line is a bad thing in two ways.

one they may have cut it to disguise the low oil pressure.

two if the line failed for some obscure reason, it could have run it dry causing the low oil pressure from bad bearings.

hope brian is right.

tom w

bottom feeder 11-17-2006 08:12 PM

Tom,

Thanks for the reply. I must admit that I'm afraid it might be something serious like the bearings. What would be the signs of bad bearings?

Brian Carlton 11-17-2006 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bottom feeder (Post 1333749)
Tom,

Thanks for the reply. What would be the signs of bad bearings?

Low oil pressure is the first possible indication.

If the clearance gets larger, you'll hear them knock. Sounds like a dull hammer tapping on the bottom end of the engine.

Get a proper reading for oil pressure first, before worrying about the problem that may not exist.

bottom feeder 11-17-2006 08:33 PM

There is a sound similar to that at idle sometimes, but is not heard at RPMs higher than idle. But first I'll do the oil pressure check. But I have a sinking feeling on this Friday night. I think it's time for a beer.

fj bertrand 11-17-2006 09:40 PM

from the manual on my 93 300D:
"The oil pressure at idle speed may drop to 4.4 psi (0.3 bar) if the engine is at operating temperature. This will not jeopardize operational reliability"

"Pressure must, however, rise immedlately upon acceleration"

p67.

If you can't stand low pressure, run 30 weight year round. that'll peg the needle...

Hatterasguy 11-18-2006 12:37 AM

Get another guage on there and either confirm or disprove the reading. Min spec at hot idle is .3 bar.

If the guage is accurite don't worry you can ebay it!:D :eek:

captainmonk 11-18-2006 01:36 AM

oil pressure
 
at risk of being banned by the purists let me state that all of my diesel engines have a quart or more of lucas oil treatment in them and straight 40 weight oil
The boat engine (Volvo 70E 300hp) was suppose to need a rebuilt 4 years ago and 7500 hours of running ago The Volvo holds 7 gallons of oil of which 1 gal is lucas @1700 rpm this 1986 engine with over 30000 hours of running holds 55 lbs of pressure and still 30 lbs at idle


SNAKE OIL INDEED

t walgamuth 11-18-2006 06:35 AM

i wouldnt hesitate to do as the previous poster said.

heavy oil and some lucas might do the trick for you if there isnt too much looseness.

it couldnt hurt.

tom w


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