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Old 11-21-2006, 11:00 PM
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There is a Chinese company making a licensed copy of a MB diesel engine right now. It powers a SUV for sale in Australia. There is a guy over on www.biodiesel.infopop.cc that drives a couple of them.

Found it. http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/419605551/m/4591069371?r=4881003471#4881003471

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Old 11-21-2006, 11:24 PM
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I am no longer sure we are even in the game now. Or if we are we better start really playing harder. There will be few scraps left on the table when it settles out. I just expect it to happen faster than expected once really rolling. We might just loose totally by default.
I assume "we" means north america? At this point, the U.S. is not really in the manufacturing business any longer, which is probably OK as long as it is in position to produce other other high value exports (i.e., intellectual property) to maintain a reasonable non-agricultural trade balance. The U.S. is simply not going to revert to an industrial economy at this point. We need to stop thinking of China as a competitor and start thinking of them as a very large consumer.
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Old 11-21-2006, 11:30 PM
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I assume "we" means north america? At this point, the U.S. is not really in the manufacturing business any longer, which is probably OK as long as it is in position to produce other other high value exports (i.e., intellectual property) to maintain a reasonable non-agricultural trade balance. The U.S. is simply not going to revert to an industrial economy at this point. We need to stop thinking of China as a competitor and start thinking of them as a very large consumer.
Yep Craig nailed it, if you look at the world through the spectrum of manufacturing we are in trouble. But if you look at what else Americans do throughout the world we are doing extremly well, almost as well as the entire EU in some regards.

Let me ask you this, all the building and development you see going on around the world, lets use China as one example. Who do you think funds that? Organizes funding for that? Designs those buildings and factory's? A lot of people in this country. The US has moved on.
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Old 11-22-2006, 02:27 AM
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I think more likely we'll be getting Mercedes made in Mexico. That's already the case with US-bound VW's and several other makes. We're already getting some Mercedes, namely the ML, from Alabama and the quality is atrocious from what I hear. It usually makes economic sense to make your products as close to each market as possible. Shipping German cars from China doesn't make sense (yet), especially to Germany, unless they're for the Asian market.
I donít recall which MB has been built in Argentina and Brazil for years, also there are some new MB made in Mexico already.
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Mercedes 3 or 5 ton truck built in south america was really troublesome here. When I went to purchase a new one the dealer would not sell it to me for our application..A couple of years later they stopped selling them here at all. The freightliner company owned by mercedes are installing mercedes diesels in the last couple of years or engines of your choice. Feedback has been mixed so far on their engines but I believe is getting better.
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Old 11-23-2006, 10:24 AM
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I would have to agree with Craig. Yes, manufacturing in the US is going down, but other industries are taking it's place, hence the low unemployment rate. Yes, the Chinese are going to screw things up in the next few years; almost everything made over there is junk. Eventually they are going to get things straight or go out of business. I'm actually looking forward to the eventual fall of communism over there.
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Old 11-23-2006, 11:31 AM
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I would have to agree with Craig. Yes, manufacturing in the US is going down, but other industries are taking it's place, hence the low unemployment rate. Yes, the Chinese are going to screw things up in the next few years; almost everything made over there is junk. Eventually they are going to get things straight or go out of business. I'm actually looking forward to the eventual fall of communism over there.
I think the economic/manufacturing situation in China is similar to Japan in the 50s (on a much larger scale), just give them 20 more years. China is already looking for extensive trade agreements with India and many african countries. At this point, they are communist in name only (with human rights issues), but my biggest concern is their failure to enforce intellectual property law.
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Old 11-23-2006, 11:33 AM
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No matter how much I would like to see Chinese made products go away, or at least the junk, there are too many stupid and cheap people here that will continue to buy it. Sometimes there is no way to avoid buying it, look at Wal-Mart. Everything there is made in China. After WWII when American industry was the strongest, the Japanese started making products and cars and at first they were junk and people didn't want to buy it. They had no reason to. Made in America was in. Slowly, the Japanese products did get better and got popular since they were of high quality and low cost. At least for the car industry, it made the Big 3 honest. They had been making junk for a long time but there wasn't anything else to buy until the Japanese cars showed up. Now, there are more "import" brands than "domestic" here. The Big 3 has cleaned up their act but still relies on discounts to sell cars rather than better engineering. I use the terms import and domestic very loosely since there is probably more American made parts in an Accord than there is in a Malibu. The V6 in a Saturn Vue is a Honda 3.5, by the way. I do work for Honda R&D in Ohio and Honda's philosophy is to build quality products and be a company that society wants to exist. They always try to source their parts and do manufacturing in the place where their products are sold, hence the many American plants and a few Canadian too. How does all of this tie in with the original thread of a Chinese car? Whenever another country starts bringing their products here for sale, they always seem to make a big splash and stir up the pot but eventually things settle down and a balance forms again. The Japanese-American car balance probably occured in the late 80's into the 90's and is still OK today. The Chinese cars will come here and take a portion of sales from every maker selling in the US but eventually things will balance out and the Chinese car makers will be integrated here too. China has a long way to go before they can even come close to matching American or Japanese engineering, though. So far I haven't seen anything good. I wondered this 20 years ago about Japan and I am wondering it again right now: If Chinese made tools are so crappy, then how can they build anything?
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Old 11-23-2006, 11:35 AM
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Mercedes already has a plant in China, however, I believe that it is similar to the Buick plant in China.....these are cars built for China market.
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Looks like a deal is progressing:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061229/ap_on_bi_ge/chrysler_chery

"The cars, to be designed jointly by Chery and Chrysler with Chrysler taking the lead, would be sold as a Chrysler Group brand, either Chrysler, Jeep or Dodge, said (a) Chrysler spokesman."

Yep, Jeep would be about right. Or M-class.



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They'll never do it...if MB's were not made in Germany, NO Germans would buy them...simple as that. The mentality of people there is to keep their jobs and production in their country. Not like the USA, where everyone seems to enjoy watching jobs go floating away and people sit around unemployed. Wal-Mart, closed all of its stores in Germany....why? Because no one shopped there, Germans won't buy Chinese goods nor will they support the "Big-Box-Marts", they'd rather pay more and go to little stores that have German made products. I'm on their side.
You and me both! I already know that when I retire I will NOT be in the United States! I'll be going back to Europe!
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Old 12-29-2006, 06:31 PM
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Exclamation For all of the Made in USA folks.....

Are you aware that ALL of Chrysler's Hemi engines are made in Mexico.....??

I went to my local NAPA store today.....wanted a complete set of V-Belts for my 300D, the NAPA better line, Made in USA, Metric Sized....had to order a couple......will be picking them up next week.....will cost me nearly $20 for the set than it would have cost with Phil and Performance Products.....BUT they will be Made in USA

I believe in Made in USA products, and I ask for them.....

I also live in a very Rural area, so I do my best to purchase some of my parts from my local parts folks......but only if they can furnish USA made stuff.....

Since any MB OEM Part is not USA made.....I feel no guilt when purchasing parts from elsewhere.....

SB

Oh yeah......China will be the "Big Dog" shortly....get used to the idea, or remain on the porch......
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Old 12-30-2006, 11:26 PM
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I only buy American when we make a product worth buying. Be competitive or go out of business.
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We Are The Consumers

"We need to stop thinking of China as a competitor and start thinking of them as a very large consumer".

Ha Ha.. We are the consumers. The container ships in Oakland Harbor come in full of consumable goods and leave mostly empty, heck my IMac and IPOD are Chinese made.

The sad part is that 99 % of the stuff in those incoming containers from China are consumable goods that depreciate upon arrival and are worthless in a very short time while we are paying US $$ for it. Who is the smart one?
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I heard some discussion on the radio about the economics of China. The man who was there said, in order to give an idea of the size of Bejing (?) That the main road into the city was 10 lanes wide and 45 KM long. He also said that by his count, he could see 1400 derrick cranes building new buildings. 1400! That is one heck of a lot of building!
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