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Craig 12-31-2006 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sophie2 (Post 1372801)
"We need to stop thinking of China as a competitor and start thinking of them as a very large consumer".

Ha Ha.. We are the consumers. The container ships in Oakland Harbor come in full of consumable goods and leave mostly empty, heck my IMac and IPOD are Chinese made.

The sad part is that 99 % of the stuff in those incoming containers from China are consumable goods that depreciate upon arrival and are worthless in a very short time while we are paying US $$ for it. Who is the smart one?

Not always, a U.S. consortium (Westinghouse, etc.) has just been awarded a contract to construct 4 nuclear power units in China (several billion dollars US). China plans on building a total of about 25 units by 2020, so there are opportunities there if you are in the right businesses (not consumer goods):

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?ACCT=no&TICK=WE&STORY=/www/story/12-16-2006/0004492392&EDATE

The U.S. just needs to figure out how to sell what they are good at building to the rest of the world, and not try to compete on low cost junk. U.S. labor cost are much too high to compete on price for manufactured goods, it's time to move on.

Now I just have to decide if I want to spend the next few years working in China. :confused:

Hatterasguy 12-31-2006 10:19 AM

There are a ton of oppertunities in China as in most other countries around the world. With China you just need to be very carefull because the government can take your holdings away on a whim.

Thats a pretty major downside to investing in China.

Knightrider966 12-31-2006 11:06 AM

Since I make a great deal of effort to avoid ANY goods made in China, you will find a chinese made car of any kind in my garage over my dead body!:behead:

Craig 12-31-2006 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy (Post 1372982)
There are a ton of oppertunities in China as in most other countries around the world. With China you just need to be very carefull because the government can take your holdings away on a whim.

Thats a pretty major downside to investing in China.

I agree, at this point the only way to do business there is to go through big U.S. companies. Too much risk to go it alone. I assume that will change in a few years.

Hatterasguy 12-31-2006 11:10 AM

I'd just love to buy Chinese real estate, but its a hornets nest to get involved in. Maybe in another 10-20 years the situation will be sorted out to the point that it makes sense.

Some people see 1400 derrick cranes as a problem for some reason. I see them as cha ching$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.:D

Craig 12-31-2006 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy (Post 1373022)
Some people see 1400 derrick cranes as a problem for some reason. I see them as cha ching$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.:D

LOL, exactly. ;)

DieselAddict 01-03-2007 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy (Post 1372651)
I only buy American when we make a product worth buying. Be competitive or go out of business.

It's not a fair competition when the Chinese government keeps its currency artificially low, making Chinese exports even cheaper than they otherwise would be, and when the typical Chinese worker makes like 30 cents an hour or something like that. Try living on that kind of wage here in the US. I'm not saying one should buy American regardless of quality or price. Just saying it's an unfair competition.

justinperkins 01-03-2007 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 1336804)
I think more likely we'll be getting Mercedes made in Mexico. That's already the case with US-bound VW's and several other makes. We're already getting some Mercedes, namely the ML, from Alabama and the quality is atrocious from what I hear. It usually makes economic sense to make your products as close to each market as possible. Shipping German cars from China doesn't make sense (yet), especially to Germany, unless they're for the Asian market.

Low-end, non-performance VW's are made in Brazil/Mexico. GTIs, GLIs, Passats, R32s, Touareg's are all made primarily in Germany. Transmissions usually come from Japan.

From what I heard, the early MLs had quality problems, but that is mostly old news and not a problem anymore. I believe there are no issues whatsoever with the Alabama facility.

dannym 01-03-2007 02:56 PM

I try to buy American as much as I can but I'm not anal about it. I will not shop at Walmart though.
I have no problem buying European goods. I won't buy from Japan, Mexico, Canada, China. Or any country associated with NAFTA or any Free Trade system that doesn't work.

In the first post it mentioned 7 million new cars a year being bought in China and being the largest growing market. I think that's the reason for American companies setting up shop there. They want a piece of the pie.
The problem with China is their economy is on the brink of collapse. It could go any time really. I'm not so sure I would like to see the ramifications of that. It would probably wind up with us bailing them out.

IMHO Japan did not get into the US car industry because we were making junk. We were actually making some great cars at that time. That was the age of the "Muscle Car". Japan got in because we were building gas guzzlers and when the energy crunch came we were very reluctant to build more economic models.
Also they tried to flood the market with cheap underpriced goods to drive American industry out. But we didn't let them. Thank you Ronald Reagan, I would really like to see that happen today.

Danny

Craig 01-03-2007 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 1376052)
It's not a fair competition when the Chinese government keeps its currency artificially low, making Chinese exports even cheaper than they otherwise would be, and when the typical Chinese worker makes like 30 cents an hour or something like that. Try living on that kind of wage here in the US. I'm not saying one should buy American regardless of quality or price. Just saying it's an unfair competition.

So what should we do, take our bat and ball and go home, or should we develop them as as a trading partner? Is it their fault that the U.S. companies cannot control their cost of labor, and cannot compete in the world market?

News flash: protectionism does not work.

DieselAddict 01-03-2007 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dannym (Post 1376118)
I try to buy American as much as I can but I'm not anal about it. I will not shop at Walmart though.
I have no problem buying European goods. I won't buy from Japan, Mexico, Canada, China.

Would do you buy then?

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Originally Posted by dannym (Post 1376118)
The problem with China is their economy is on the brink of collapse. It could go any time really. I'm not so sure I would like to see the ramifications of that. It would probably wind up with us bailing them out.

Are you kidding? China has the fastest growing economy and is one of our main creditors. They are lending us money so that we can keep reveling in our over-spending frenzy.

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Originally Posted by Craig
So what should we do, take our bat and ball and go home, or should we develop them as as a trading partner? Is it their fault that the U.S. companies cannot control their cost of labor, and cannot compete in the world market?

News flash: protectionism does not work.

There are no easy answers. I think some compromise mix of free trade and protectionism is the way to go.

justinperkins 01-03-2007 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dannym (Post 1376118)
I try to buy American as much as I can but I'm not anal about it. I will not shop at Walmart though.
I have no problem buying European goods. I won't buy from Japan, Mexico, Canada, China. Or any country associated with NAFTA or any Free Trade system that doesn't work.

Ha! I'm failing to see the connection between buying American and Walmart. That store is all Chinese goods.

There is no way you could possibly avoid buying goods from those markets you mentioned. And what makes it any better if you're buying clothes made in El Salvador or Malaysia instead of Mexico or China?

I bet I could walk into your house and spot a couple 100 "hecho en mexico" items in a matter of minutes.

Nobody can pick and choose which markets they support. It's impossible.

slikkemeg 01-04-2007 01:41 AM

I ordered boots for my 300E front shocks ( coming from world pac), and guess what. They were made in China. I was very disappointed, and I am not going to put these shock boots in my car PERIOD.

justinperkins 01-04-2007 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by slikkemeg (Post 1376763)
I ordered boots for my 300E front shocks ( coming from world pac), and guess what. They were made in China. I was very disappointed, and I am not going to put these shock boots in my car PERIOD.

:musicbooh

Craig 01-04-2007 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by slikkemeg (Post 1376763)
I ordered boots for my 300E front shocks ( coming from world pac), and guess what. They were made in China. I was very disappointed, and I am not going to put these shock boots in my car PERIOD.

You don't think there are currently "factory" benz parts sourced from China? I wouldn't count on it.


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