When I said TDT, I'm referring to how *we* refer to them, not MB. Even though the person in the parts department at my local MB dealership called my 87 a 300TDT.

My 80 is a 300TD and it's not a turbo, either is my 86 Golf. To assume Turbo in those cases would be silly, the Turbo was an option on the 80 wagon and not even offered on the 86 Golf.

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-justin

1987 300TD, 1987 300TD
2008 R32, 2000 Passat Wagon

Ooooh, I second that, but if you see rust in the expansion tank, or if the coolant looks "too new" in addition to a good flush, pull the drain plugs on each side of the block and flush the motor REALLY good. amazing how much gunk comes out this way... also search here for "citric flush" or just citric and research how to do this. you'll never have any problems with overheating after that.
John

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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread
"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
1987 300TD
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

Do these use a coolant filter, or require frequent check of the pH like big trucks do?

We DO NOT refer to our 300TD wagons as 300TDT. Why, because it is incorrect. Please take note of your tail gate badge. Same with sedan folks. Their 300D sedans are not 300DT!
Just because some secretary at Mercedes typed TDT on paperwork now and then isn't reason enough either. (some folks say it is typed that way on their paper work)
I feel it is just the opposite of what you say. Since we KNOW these vehicles, we know that if somebody has an '81 wagon it is a turbo wagon, but if somebody has an '81 sedan it is a non-turbo. We know that if somebody has an '80 wagon it is a non-turbo (and may or may not smoke.... )
Learn it, know it, live it......
Rant from the anal one is over......

**BTW, I know this stuff doesn't really matter, but it is what we Mercedes dorks do.....**

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'05 Acura TL 6MT
2001 ML430 My Spare

Gone:
'95 E300 188K "Batmobile" Texas Unfriendly Black
'85 300TD 235K "The Wagon" Texas Friendly White
'80 240D 154K "China" Scar engine installed
'81 300TD 240K "Smash"
'80 240D 230K "The Squash"
'81 240D 293K"Scar" Rear ended harder than Elton John

All right man, I give up. I just adopted the TDT thing because I noticed a few people did it in their sigs and it seemed to make sense. Of course I know that saying Turbo on an 87 TD is redundant because they did not come N/A, but I dropped it on there for the sake of clarity. I had no idea that the 80 TD only was offered N/A.

I wonder what you think about people that say they have a 99 E300TD

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-justin

1987 300TD, 1987 300TD
2008 R32, 2000 Passat Wagon

I agree it is "incorrect" but some could conceivably use TD for a "D" because of the "turbodiesel" badge on the back of the car... just shorthand for it... they were probably totally unaware of the existence of the TD as an actual model.

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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread
"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
1987 300TD
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

Wow, I don't usually get to argue somebody into submission. Of course, that may be because I only argue with the wife.....



I think that they have a lot nicer car than any of mine.....

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Jimmy L.
'05 Acura TL 6MT
2001 ML430 My Spare

Gone:
'95 E300 188K "Batmobile" Texas Unfriendly Black
'85 300TD 235K "The Wagon" Texas Friendly White
'80 240D 154K "China" Scar engine installed
'81 300TD 240K "Smash"
'80 240D 230K "The Squash"
'81 240D 293K"Scar" Rear ended harder than Elton John

Well I don't like bickering over silly stuff, I'm still learning the ins and outs of these fine automobiles so I don't mind a lesson in badge lettering 101 too.

So, WRT to new wagons, there is no badging that indicates wagon vs. sedan. If I had an E320 CDI Wagon (hey, a guy can dream right?), is that the "proper" terminology? I'm confused why MB dropped the TD/TE lettering. Now all their E-class cars sound the same.

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-justin

1987 300TD, 1987 300TD
2008 R32, 2000 Passat Wagon

I have the service manuals for the w123 on CD. Just PM me. I also like to stalk people from Bf.c too LOL.

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1983 240D Yellow
1989 300E Champigne
1993 190E Gray
1986 325 BMW Burgundy
1987 Chevy S10 Blazer

Haha, I've seen you post on the GA board, lol.

Hey JimmyL, thought you'd get a kick out of this...

Go to MBUSA's Technical Literature site (it can be found from mbusa.com):
http://www.classictechlit.mbusa.com/MB/

Select Model year 87, then check out the options in the Model list, you'll see stuff like:

300DT and 300TDT

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-justin

1987 300TD, 1987 300TD
2008 R32, 2000 Passat Wagon

kendogg,

Are you the same "kendogg" who used to be on MyE28.com?

-Shawn

OK, I just finished replacing my glow plugs, and the beast still won't start. The old ones dind't look too aweful bad, but they all ohmed out at over 50k each, the new ones, when checking right from the connector at the glow plug relay, all show .7 or less.

I have NOT changed or primed the fuel filters yet, but I have pumped the hand primer pump. Would that also cause a complete no start? It seems like it kind of wants to fire on a couple cylinders, but thats really about it. Also, my glow plug light on the dash iss till out. Any idea's? The relay is putting out 12 volts, I checked it with a meter myself. I'm about to go get a can of fresh fuel, and change/prime the new fuel filters, and pray it starts after that, but any suggestions would be really, REALLY appreciated right now. Thanks everybody!!!

Did you remove the hard lines to change the glow plugs?

Changing filters is always a good place to begin when you first pickup a vehicle. No telling how long the secondary has been there.

The vehicle does not have a factory fuel/water separator. If it's been added by the PO, you'll need to make sure it's not contributing to your problems.

If you go to your generic parts places(napa, pepboys,autozone,..)
and tell them this, ex:84 mercedes 300 turbo diesel they will ask
you TD or TDT because that is what comes up on their screen.
So, it isn't only "some secretary at Mercedes " that uses these
letters.
And yes, I have ordered a rear axle for my w123 at autozone(flame suite on).

Louis.

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