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Old 01-11-2007, 09:17 AM
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Exclamation Winter Horror

It's -30, with a -38 Windchill. I car has been plugged IN for the past 36 hours because we're experiencing a blizzard and all the roads are closed.

36 hours of being plugged in and IT WON'T START?

have I upset some Mercedes god somewhere?

It should at least WANT to start at that temp right?

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Old 01-11-2007, 09:27 AM
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Wow, I'm actually envious. Winter seems to be skipping us this year. I guess the obvious question is: are you sure the block heater works? If so, what type of heater is it (where is it)? I would think it should start at any temp. unless your battery is severly drained.
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Old 01-11-2007, 09:31 AM
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Is the fuel gelled? At those temps you probably should cut it with kero.
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Old 01-11-2007, 09:38 AM
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Brrrrrrr, that's cold.
Try placing a trouble light under the hood next to the injector pump and another one in the truck next to the tank. If you get it started that still does not help for the fuel lines that are exposed.

Are you sure that the block heater is working? Is you car parked outside? You many need to check the glow plugs as well. I hope that you can get here started. I find it an adrenaline rush to get a diesel to start in very cold temps.
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Old 01-11-2007, 09:42 AM
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What kind of fuel are you running? #1 #2 or a mixture at what percentage? Have you added an anti-gellling agent like PowerService?

By the way, try to put an anchor on that cold and hold it up there. It's supposed to be heading our way this weekend. At least offer lots of sacrifices to the Diesel no-Start Gods so they're appeased before they get here. Do you have a virgin first born?
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Old 01-11-2007, 09:43 AM
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Wow, that is cold!

Does it get that cold in Edam also? Wow, I better feel sorry for my cousins. But, regarding your starting problem, besides the things that were mentioned, you need a first class charged up Battery, fuel has to flow and I would suspect with those low temps that your glo's have to be letter perfect, all five in a row. I would do a quick resistance check on them when they are cold. Even with mitts on, you should be able to do that in two/three minutes.
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Old 01-11-2007, 09:46 AM
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Synthetic oil?

I lived in Maine and Colorado and even when I forgot to turn on the "Yankee Block Heater" - a trouble light as described above - starting was never a problem - neighbors with new cars without synthetics, both gasoline and diesel were not able to.
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Old 01-11-2007, 10:00 AM
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Oh yeah at those temps I'd have 0w40 in the crank, even that would be thick!
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Old 01-11-2007, 10:59 AM
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Starting at -30C

Hey

greetings from the Toronto banana belt. That is a seriously cold temperature at which to start a diesel. I have no experience of starting my 300sd at that temp as I have owned it for only 9 months and so far our winter has been really mild.

But I've started my old 1992 Jetta diesel and my even older David Brown 990 diesel tractor (2998cc 4 cyl diesel, built in 1972, totally original) at that temp many times.

key factors in the "successful starting recipie" included;-

1. fuel additive to prevent gelling
2. only use winter grade diesel
3. keep the vehicle in a shelter to reduce wind chill
4. block heater - make sure it works (cable once broke internally on the VW leaving me stuck)
5. trickle charger on the battery to keep it up to performance
6. synthetic oil helps too
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:00 AM
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Cold! I would put a light in the trunk to heat the fuel tank, actually, you may have to remove the carpet from the fuel tank wall to get all the heat there. AND a light pointed at or a heater plate under the battery. once you get below about -12 or so, diesel fuel is a fun concoction of gunk. MB recommends Kero or actually GASOLINE (not much) mixed in, to get it to flow at those temps... Good luck!
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:47 AM
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"It's -30, with a -38 Windchill."

*C or *F?
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:57 AM
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"It's -30, with a -38 Windchill."

*C or *F?
haha. i actually had to think for a second on that one. silly negative.
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:59 AM
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Wind chill has no impact on starting a car. If the temperature is 20 degrees, then that's the temperature of the block. Wind in the atmosphere does not lower that temperature any further.

Wind Chill is what your exposed skin feels like in terms of effect in a "normalized" condition of no wind. This is because your skin is moist to some small extent, and because it is much warmer than the air being blown around it.

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Old 01-11-2007, 12:16 PM
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It's -30, with a -38 Windchill.............we're experiencing a blizzard and all the roads are closed.
.................. and IT WON'T START?.............
It should at least WANT to start at that temp right?
I believe the key statement you made is WANT to start.

Having been in Edmonton, Canada, during those kinds of winter temps, I can understand why it wouldn't want to do anything! Unless it's a dire emergency, that is even more risky than exposure, my belief is........... put another log on the fire, sip some mulled wine, and sit real close to your sweetie.
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Old 01-11-2007, 12:29 PM
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Can I suggest a valve adjustment if you haven't done one recently. I was experiencing no starting below freezing a few weeks ago. I did a valve adjustment and replaced one glow plug and now she fires right up and purrs like a kitten. I know the temps aren't as low as yours are but tight valve clearences certainly won't help anything.

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