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Old 01-14-2007, 01:38 PM
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I thought the general concensus was that the carbon build up was responsible for the stuck gp's.

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Alkim, you are killing me, just as my concious .... I mean that in a really positive manner. I have been a engineer in all kinds of industry and most sucessful when I was proactive in my actions, Not a wait and let the problem come to me....
I would always change out the coolant, hoses, and water pump in my garage, when I feel like it and not 30K or 50K miles later along side the highway just after a failure.

I may recant my position... Aklim the voice from within....
I use the intervals as a guide. For say the water pump. I would change the belts and then test the pump to see if it turns smoothly or has any sign of a leak intermittent or otherwise. For hoses, change when I see any sign of wear and tear. Through check BEFORE I go on any long trip. Fuel filters 30K and not 60K since I am not that sure of the fuel quality.
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I thought the general concensus was that the carbon build up was responsible for the stuck gp's.
Dunno. I took my prechambers out at 60 and 120K. Either way, not much carbon in them. When I had to drill, there was only the threads holding it in.
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I thought the general concensus was that the carbon build up was responsible for the stuck gp's.
The problem is there is no concensus...some strongly believe carbon is the cause...others strongly believe dis-similar metals cause a galvonic reaction at the threads, another theory is that unless the plugs are threaded all the way in they get stuck coming out...all I know is this...if I were going to attempt to remove mine here's how I would do it:

1)I'd soak the plugs with PB blaster for several days prior to the operation.

2) I'd do it on a HOT engine...even if it meant removing the IM after the motor was fully heated and running it again with the IM off just prior to attempting to remove them to make sure it was as hot as possible.

3) I'd use a deep socket in an impact tool, first set to the lowest possible torque; well under the torque required to tighten the plug. I'd let it knock-knock-knock away at it lightly, for several minutes if necessary before setting the tool to a higher torque and trying again. I'm a big proponent of using impact to loosen stuck stuff...this is how I would do it.

4) Assuming I got them all out OK, I'd use the recommended reamer and clean out all of the holes well. Then apply copper based anti-seize on the new plugs before installing them.

I still would not do it until necessary, but this is how I plan on doing it next time.
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Old 01-14-2007, 02:43 PM
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I may pass on pulling the GP's until req'd.
raMBow, were those part numbers and prices from Fastlane or your local Dealer ??
These were what I paid at local dealer, probably make some sick, my dealer seems cheap usually.
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Hi Guys
I am going to be replacing my O rings and fuel lines also on a 96 210 118k miles. Should I do the IP copper seals and O rings or wait till they leak? No leaks yet.

On the GP issue: I just did mine with little trouble taking them out. Lots of penetrating oil and good tools and PATIENCE are key. Probably a good idea if all of the above are present.
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I am going to be replacing my O rings and fuel lines also on a 96 210 118k miles. Should I do the IP copper seals and O rings or wait till they leak? No leaks yet.

On the GP issue: I just did mine with little trouble taking them out. Lots of penetrating oil and good tools and PATIENCE are key. Probably a good idea if all of the above are present.
Steve
My DV seals were replaced 2.5 years ago and started leaking again a couple of weeks ago. Seemed pretty short lived to me when the OEM seals lasted 5 years. I have probably burned 50% of B99 tanks during the last 6-9 mos and then there is the recent switch over to USLD to consider in determining cause of failure. Can not say with certainty which was responsible but lean toward the USLD and differences in aromatics added to the new fuel personnaly.

The DV's are not difficult to do although does require the Im to come off again and requires a special MB splined socket. The porper torque value is 35nm (~26 ft lbs). I would probably do them if you do not know their age. You need to clean the engine and IP first and then keep everything surgical clean if you do them. Rinse the valves in clean diesel to clean and lube prior to re-assembly. Be careful not to lose any springs. Buy new hard inj line plastic clip holders as they get brittle and break form being exposed to engine heat. You'll aslo need a new IM gaskett and a EGR seal ring. On your 96 you prob have another seal ring (or 2) on your crossover also.

I also had to do a 2 can diesel purge to get rid of some slight nailing after doing mine.

Be certain to keep your old fuel line from the fuel thermo to the pre-filter as you can cut it down and use it later when doing a purge. That old line makes that job even easier.
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Old 01-14-2007, 09:26 PM
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Thanks Terry. I'll order the Injection pump parts. Are they available from fastlane anyone know?
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Old 01-14-2007, 09:30 PM
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Thanks Terry. I'll order the Injection pump parts. Are they available from fastlane anyone know?
Steve
Yep. Although the plastic clips were O/S two weeks ago.

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