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Old 01-18-2007, 07:08 PM
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You have discovered the tube that conveys the air from the tubo to the intake. Air in that tube is under pressure; if it is leaking you will be short on air for combustion. The end result is that you will be down on power. Loosen the clamps on both ends and reinstall it make sure it is tight. Perhaps it got flipped by someone; you may want to see if it fits better if you flip it over.

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You have discovered the tube that conveys the air from the tubo to the intake. Air in that tube is under pressure; if it is leaking you will be short on air for combustion. The end result is that you will be down on power. Loosen the clamps on both ends and reinstall it make sure it is tight. Perhaps it got flipped by someone; you may want to see if it fits better if you flip it over.
???Isnt it from the intake to the turbo? The compressed air from the turbo enters directly into the intake manifold if I'm not mistaken.
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Old 01-18-2007, 09:24 PM
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???Isnt it from the intake to the turbo? The compressed air from the turbo enters directly into the intake manifold if I'm not mistaken.
Yes, you are correct.
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Old 01-18-2007, 10:39 PM
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My mistake, sorry.
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Old 01-18-2007, 10:50 PM
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I mentioned fuel filters because of the poor fuel mileage and the mention of not staying running without gunning the engine. But perhaps I'm wrong?
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The u-tube fits pretty snug. I usually need to apply silicone grease to get mine on. If it's popping off when you tighten, then the seals are probably pushed in too far. I doubt that is going to affect mileage to that degree.

Yes, IP timing is what I was referring to.
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I definitely don't have the knowledge that other chiming in here have, but... here's my two cents. I'm taking it down a notch.

I was getting similarly poor fuel economy in my '83 300SD, My inline filter "looked" good and my air filter also "looked" okay. Sometimes looks can be deceiving. Those are really cheap parts, so just replace them. Also, and this is really taking it down a notch, are you measuring your mpg correctly? As in, you look at how many miles you put on it since your last fill up, then fill it up and see how many gallons it takes. Then do the math... I only say this because if you just go by the fuel gauge, there's always the chance that the gauge is busted...

If you still have such poor economy with brand new filters, I would have the injectors looked at. Having to throttle it to keep it running when you start up sounds like a fuel delivery thing. You should also look at all the fuel lines for leaks.

Besides that, I agree with Craig. Your transmission is the real issue. The best advice for a beginner is to find a really good indy and drop a few hundred bucks for a head to toe diagnosis of your car.

Those are the steps I'd take being a beginner. Too obvious? Maybe, but this is the type of advice I would have been able to take a few months ago...
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Old 01-19-2007, 12:41 PM
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No offense taken Ms Fowler. Were all here just trying to help.

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To those who suggested checking the fuel filters.... Since the complaint was excessive fuel use, why would you suspect the filters? This is not meant as an attack on anyone. I am merely trying to improve my own diagnostic skills. It seems to me that if the complaint were "lack of power" that checking the fuel filters would be the right course of action as clogged fuel filters= less fuel= less power. But if there is excessive fuel use, how can that be related to a filter problem, other than a hole which would be seen as a leak? Please educate me.
Well, I just reread the original post and it doesn't mention excessive fuel use.
He said it starts out ok with a decrease in power over time. That would point to fuel filters.
Also he did mention there was a sucking sound when he removes the fuel cap. This happens when the fuel tank pressure regulator, for lack of a better term, malfunctions. This is a small little disc shaped part that is located near the left rear tire. Close to where the fuel lines go in and out of the tank. This would cause the loss of power that he mentioned since the IP would have to pull harder against the vacuum in the tank.
That's why I asked that question, Thre's a madness to my method.
I would remove it for a day or 2 and see what happens.
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Is there a vacuum-related item that would affect both the driveability and the transmission issues? What I mean is, I have seen many posts that stress the importance of the correct vacuum signal for the proper operation of the tranny. If there is some vacuum device that could enrichen the fuel delivery, couldn't it also affect the transmission's shifting? The Alda senses engine manifold pressure, so I think that is out. But what about some EGR devices? Could a vacuum leak in one of these circuts casue both the excessive fuel consumption as well as the erratic shifting ( due to loss of vacuum)?
Just thinking out loud....
I believe the transmission get vaccum first, right after the brake booster. But since he doesn't have to manually turn off the car I would suspect a smaller leak. Those EGR lines would be the first place I would look. Right after the modulator itself.

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Old 01-19-2007, 02:07 PM
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dannym,
I guess I better read more carefully. I thought he complained of a cloud of black ( indicated excess fuel ) smoke. He did not mention the color, so it may be gray, white or black.
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Same Car ('85 300SD), Same Problem. All the vac and EGR lines are tight. What about the sucking sound when we open the fuel cap? Almost drilled a hole in it.

The database also refers to a "cat". Is this a catalyst? On a diesel? Do they get plugged up by old engines?

Thanks for all the great feedback. This forum is new to me and the talent here is totally unbelievable.
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Gary D.....is this a California car? or a Federal car? If it is a California, then you have extra emissions equipment and possibly a catalyst. I've heard it described as a large "football" in the exhaust -located in the engine bay- and there is some recall information for that. Do a search on "exhaust, recall and cat or catalyst".

The "sucking" is a concern when you open the tank with partial to full fuel. If it only happens when near empty, then I would look elswhere. The "air filter" is located in one of the flex lines coming from the bottom of the fuel tank and looks like a small vacuum element.

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