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truckinik 02-06-2007 03:49 AM

Head Gasket Thickness...
 
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Originally Posted by cessna5354 (Post 1408596)
Forced Induction, Thanks
So if some one was to install a blower on a std DD then he runs the risk of damage,
How do they "lower" the compression, shorter connecting rod? Diff piston head? You got me to wondering.. But not like Stevie yet,,,

Well, I know that when I want to increase, or decrease my compression ratio, on my small block Chevy, I can use a thicker, or thinner head gasket. In jumping down from an .077 thick gasket, to a .027 thick gasket, I can change the compression from 9.5:1 to 10.75:1. That's a pretty big difference, and changes the whole attitude, and output of the motor. This alone with no other mods, gains me a significant amount of horses, and torque. Not sure if these exact same principals apply to diesels, but I would think they would. Why would they not?
I bet if I did this with my 79 300cd, non turbo cars, they'd have an easier time with winter starts, etc. Just a theory though.

ForcedInduction 02-06-2007 04:05 AM

If anything, I'd want a thicker headgasket to lower my compression so I can run more boost. :D

truckinik 02-06-2007 05:17 AM

OH boy.
Well I can clear up all of this Olds 350 Diesel stuff. I've owned both gas and diesel versions, and still own my 83 Olds Custom Cruiser Wagon, diesel car.

The Olds diesel is simply a four bolt version of the traditional two bolt Olds 350 gasser, with a different set of heads, forged crank, rods, and pistons.
As for the fuel injection mount, it just bolts to an adapter attached to the front of the block, and robbing power via a gear-set from the cam gear/timing set. When the fuel injector pumps would seize, they would take out everything related, or effected by the cam.timing set. They were junk though. They were not related at all to the Chev. The 4.3 Olds diesel was nothing more than a buick 3.8 v6 w/different crank, pistons, and heads etc. to bring it up to 4.3 litres.
I still love the Olds 350 diesel though. The original engine in my wagon lasted an astounding 409,000 miles by some stupid fluke. The engine was replaced last year by the G.M. dealer for a brand new retrofitted crate engine. It was still covered under G.M.'s recall, because they set the cars up with a lifetime recall issue on them. They didn't expect my car to roll into the dealership for a new powerplant a whole 24 years later I bet.
The Olds 350 Diesel engines were very saught after by racers, only because the block was four bolt main. They were very easily converted to gas jobs. At one time, back in their day when they recalled and fixed these cars at the dealerships, they would do the actual conversion to the engine while in the car, to make them gassers. All they did was pull the heads, intake, injector pump, and an assortment of other components like the pistions, and cam etc. and swap in all gasser parts into them w/o ever even pulling the engine from the car, in some cases. They'd just take it apart for an "In-frame" as a diesel, and put it back together as a gas job. Same block, and even same crank and rods. Now, these gasser cars, had an Olds 350 four bolt main, gas engine, w/forged crank,rods, pistons, and a host of other goodies. We all know this is the best type of set-up for a stout cam, and a great musclecar engine. All the racers used to look for the diesels, or former diesels to put into their 442's and other Olds race/street cars. Makes a lot of sense actually. That was the only 4 bolt block Olds ever made. Dispite all rumors though, the block was not cast out of any different materials than the gasser 350's were. No Nickel jsut normal formula. I do not know the exact compression ratio of the Diesel version, but fom what I've gathered from the Olds Diesel web site, it was in the neighborhood of 21:1.

truckinik 02-06-2007 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction (Post 1411268)
If anything, I'd want a thicker headgasket to lower my compression so I can run more boost. :D

Right, me too...But no boost factor to consider on a non turbo car, right?

Brian Carlton 02-06-2007 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Knightrider966 (Post 1408915)
The Static ratio is 22.5:1. In out ward appearances it does not differ from the 12 valve offered from late 1993 to 1998. The difference was in the size of the bore and stroke and these engines were marked by a maltese cross on a certain part of the block stamped into the casting.




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Originally Posted by Knightrider966 (Post 1411167)
Thank god! finally someone does get it! Static compression is meaningless because it's NO LONGER static once the starter is engaged!


First it's 22.5:1.........still without any evidence from any source that this is the truth.

Then it's "meaningless"........because you were called on the number. It's a number that is meaningful to every manufacturer of engines in the world, but, it's not meaningful to you.


Still awaiting some proof that the Cummins has, or ever had a 22.5:1 static compression ratio.

babymog 02-06-2007 06:36 PM

Is there only one person here who doesn't understand that during cranking/starting, the original discussion and claims, you only have the static compression ratio because the engine isn't started yet and therefore the turbo is creating no boost? Or maybe it doesn't matter anymore because everyone else lost interest?

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