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I worked in a fuel injection shop for 5 years and did this sort of timing more than frequently. It is much easier to show someone compared to telling it which takes a lot of writing. I won't do the whole thing but start with the fuel injection pump has been removed from the engine and you don't know if the engine is liked up properly any more. You need to rotate the engine till the it is coming up on the degree mark for timing on the compression stroke. You locate the compression stroke by watching the intake valve. On my 84 300D that is 24 degrees plus or minus one degree before top dead center on the compression stroke. You will need to find a picture if this. There are 2 missing splines on the drive end of the fuel injection pump drive shaft and that lines up with the timing mark on the front bearing cap of the pump. Since you have previously lined up the engine you only need to carefully stick the fuel injection pump in. When you do that, you want the studs in the middle of the kidney slots on the fuel injection pump flange. And you tighten the pump down. After bleeding the air out of the system properly engine can run like that. After that you are ready to fine tune with the drip method. I scribed a mark across the block and the upper outer fuel injection pump flange as a reference so I could return it there if the drip timing was not going as planned. Remember that starting point the engine was running. OK you need to read a bunch of drip timing threads. See if I commented on that in the threads. When you rotate the fuel injection pump and you look at your marks never move it more than 1/16ths from your mark. Sug the pump down so it will not rotate and start pumping on the hand primer to bring up the pressure and at the highest pressure count the drips per second. You keep repeating that small rotation, snugging and pumping with the hand primer till you get the correct drips per second. When it is correct tighten all of the fuel injection pump flange nuts and you are done. Bleed the system of air again and try to start. Big mistakes people make during drip timing is they rotate the pump too much and they go past the sweet spot and next is the method of pressurizing the fuel is not consistent. Fuel Pressure: If you have low pressure, you have less drips and that gives you a false reading. You are not counting the drips till you are sure you are pumping on the hand primer a lot to bring that pressure up and you are constantly getting the same number of drips per second while pumping. Note that the above is not an extensive write up on the subject. |
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Merdedeszource High pressure method.. if you have an electric aux fuel pump on the engine already... would this do the same thing as using the pressure tank set up he describes (sorta describes) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8vvtS8SGto |
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look forward to replies to specificity of questions (tools, Aux. pump, any red or green flags, in pump position to look for as it sits now etc.). Got delayed in doing things over the weekend.... Dog mauled my hand on Fri. Am right handed.. and right hand now not working so well. |
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_got engine at around 24.5. _Got rabbit ears on #1 cam lobes (rabbit's head slightly tilted to the right) valves look open _Got spring removed from below #1 IP inject line / valve holder _Got plunger (but not barrel) removed from IP (SHOULD BARREL come out too???????) aka what is "Valve" to remove?? is "Valve considered" just the plunger or both plunger and the barrel it sits in? -Got the drip line installed. -Got vacuum line(s) pulled. _got fuel lever pulled to max with a pumping of primer a steady flow of fuel no matter where IP is rotated too.... comes out.... can minutely see a pulse.... but no dripping. little help please ASAP. |
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Did you have the fuel injection pump off of the engine? I the manual the throttle lever is wired into the full fuel position which you need to release before you start it. I am old enough I tie a note to my steering wheel. You can disconnect the fuel shutoff vacuum to make sure there is no vacuum there and there should be none. If you marked the position of the fuel injection pump return it to that and start over. I was fortunate enough to work in a diesel fuel injection shop and my boss let me try it on my own and the subsequent frustrations. He finally told me what to do. It is one of those deals that is a pain till you learn how to do it. Did you find any youtube videos on how to do it? |
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With so many unknown variables in this situation (engine never run by anyone for more than 20min.. I need some way to check timing that is not as dependent on so many other variables being "correct" as well too.. soooooo..... ordered a China-Clone of a Sealy IP line pulse detector / converter box- to timing light Flash. Just posted a thread on this to verify few things |
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The holes the tool go into can look different. But in the first pic you see a hole with inside a blade. That blade is what catches the tool. The next picture is the tool itself. They are cheap these days on eBay and Amazon. The timing locking pin tool is not made for the purpose I will describe. It is made for you to stick in when the pump is removed from the engine. When used it holds locks the pump camshaft in position so that it cannot move and change the timing while you stick the pump in. However, if you look on the timing area of the emission sticker on your car it references on After Top Dead Center. On mine it is 15 degrees ATDC plus or minus something. In your case you would get some sort of jar or bowel and get a 17mm wrench and remove the plug. Some oil will come out. About a cup of it. Leave the hole open and rotate the engine in the direction of normal rotation and watch those engine camshaft lobes to go to 24 degrees before top dead center on the compression stroke. For now, leave it there The timing locking pin has to be oriented correctly. On the outside of it is a small screwdriver like slot. You thread the tool inside all the way in and you look at that slot. The slot needs to be rotated so it is horizontal. Here is the delicate part. You need to slowly and genteelly manual turn the engine in the direction of ration trying to feel when the pump locks and you will see that part with the screwdriver slot push out before it locks. When it locks if it is timed correctly, you will look down at the crank damper pointer and see that it is in my case on 15 degrees after top dead center. At that point it is locked as in the last pic with the drawing. If it is not locked at that point if you want, you can continue to rotate in the directing of rotation. till it locks. All that is going to give you is a real idea that it is out of timed. Some people turn the engine to the after top dead center setting after the compression stroke and just look in the hole to see if they can see the tab/blade as in the first pic. They try to see if it is somewhat centered in the hole indicating the timing is at least close. If you don't see the tab/blade. Recheck that you did the after top dead center on the compression stroke thing again to make sure you did it proper. If you still cannot see the tab/blade the fuel pump timing is off. Note that older fuel injection pumps don't have the large hole for this type of timing locking pin. |
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This is a pic of the emission sticker on my federal 84 Mercedes 300D.
The part outlined in red is the timing specs when using the Timing Locking Pin, The A&B light other demining methods that use that side port on the governor to insert the tool into. By the way this stuff is tedious to explain in words. |
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I have a port .... thinkkkkkkk it is a RIV one??? see post three and four https://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/4365131-post3.html |
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As for DV assembly , one can bump into different terms used. DV (assembly) = body+plunger(stem). Some call "Delivery valve" just the stem(plunger). Here the DV body is named a "carrier", while the stem is called...well, a "delivery valve". https://www.tonk.ca/models/w123/w123CD2/Program/Engine/617/07_1-110.pdf But yes-the "stem"(plunger) and spring removed,"body" remains in place. |
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