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Mustang_man298 03-30-2007 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin85 (Post 1465028)
My 85 is now in a trannie shop & may need a new one
I changed the fluid & filter about 10 mos ago. properly
The old filter was real dirty. the fluid was pink.
At the time the trannie had a minor knock from 1st into 2nd..
After the change the knock got noticably worse. The fluid level was fine.
Well last weekend something else was real noticeable. MY car won't go any faster than 35 MPH and stays in 2nd or 3rd gear.....
A long time ago a mechanic told me to not change old fluid or filter because it builds up a varnish of sorts that the transmission gets "used to", andif you change it you will ruin your transmission.
I believe him now....

Well, if it was knocking before you changed it, the problem, whatever it may be, was already there and it was just a matter of borrowed time. Trannies do build up a certain degree of varnish, just like the black gooey crud builds up inside of the engine, on non wearing/friction areas of parts. anything that contacts parts, or wears such as bearing races or seal bores, gets kept clean by the wear during operation. As someone who has been through training courses and built many trannies,my theory is, if the trans has gotten so old and tired that you have to do odd things to nurse it along, then it's unreliable and needs repair anyway. I have always refreshed fluids and filters on vehicles I take ownership of, and never had trouble from doing so without finding something that was already failing long beforehand. I got a Chevy truck not too long ago from a guy that said it ran & drove fine, engine started knocking needs a new engine. Found 2 of the cam sprocket bolts fell out-cause of knock- engine was old so replaced it anyway. Trans supposedly was fine, looked like had been ther for years though. I tore it down simply because of that, and found a clutch pack that had not failed yet and was probably working fine or close to, but was in process of failure, friction material worn to the steel backing, blued from heat and warped. Would new fluid and filter be to blame to cause that to fail a few months later? No.

aklim 03-30-2007 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin85 (Post 1465028)
I changed the fluid & filter about 10 mos ago. properly

The old filter was real dirty. the fluid was pink.

At the time the trannie had a minor knock from 1st into 2nd..

A long time ago a mechanic told me to not change old fluid or filter because it builds up a varnish of sorts that the transmission gets "used to", and if you change it you will ruin your transmission.

I believe him now.

That could be an issue. It might not be getting enough fluid with a dirty filter and it could have started the ball rolling.

At this point, it is simply a matter of time before it goes. Not IF but WHEN.

10 months? What did you expect from a trans that was already knocking?

Transmissions getting "used to" something or other? What? It is alive now? If I use my metric wrenches to do some standard stuff, will they also "get used" to standard?

If he tried to sell you ocean front property in AZ, you going along with it too?

Knightrider966 03-30-2007 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1465074)
That could be an issue. It might not be getting enough fluid with a dirty filter and it could have started the ball rolling.

At this point, it is simply a matter of time before it goes. Not IF but WHEN.

10 months? What did you expect from a trans that was already knocking?

Transmissions getting "used to" something or other? What? It is alive now? If I use my metric wrenches to do some standard stuff, will they also "get used" to standard?

If he tried to sell you ocean front property in AZ, you going along with it too?

Hey! I want ocean front property first! I live in AZ!:D :D :D :D

aklim 03-30-2007 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Knightrider966 (Post 1465084)
Hey! I want ocean front property first! I live in AZ!:D :D :D :D

Normally, I wouldn't do it but since you are a MS Member, I'll let it go real cheap.

Knightrider966 03-30-2007 12:54 AM

Total crock that changing a filter and fluid will destroy an older tranny!:behead: If you have problems that show up later, your old fluid/filter was just covering them. A knock in the tranny when going into a higher gear ratio sounds like a loose band slamming a loose gear or clutch disc around. Rebuild it! You will be better off!:scholar:

aklim 03-30-2007 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Knightrider966 (Post 1465090)
Total crock that changing a filter and fluid will destroy an older tranny!:behead: If you have problems that show up later, your old fluid/filter was just covering them. A knock in the tranny when going into a higher gear ratio sounds like a loose band slamming a loose gear or clutch disc around. Rebuild it! You will be better off!:scholar:

You got to admit that as a mechanic, I get more off your rebuild than a filter change.

Knightrider966 03-30-2007 01:22 AM

Yeah,But tranny's are interesting. Not changing fluid and filter because you might cause a problem is being in denial. most people will wait until something in the tranny breaks before they fix it. :eek: It's cheaper to rebuild a tranny with high mileage that is still functioning than to wait until it craps out completely! I keep a magnet in my oil pan!:idea2:

Austin85 03-30-2007 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hit Man X (Post 1465061)
You can always just drain a quart of the old. Replace with new. Drive around. Drain a quart, replace with new. Drive more. Repeat for a while to slowly get the build up out that could potentially be in there

And at this point I described, what good would that do?


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Austin85 03-30-2007 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1465074)
That could be an issue. It might not be getting enough fluid with a dirty filter and it could have started the ball rolling.

At this point, it is simply a matter of time before it goes. Not IF but WHEN.

10 months? What did you expect from a trans that was already knocking?

Transmissions getting "used to" something or other? What? It is alive now? If I use my metric wrenches to do some standard stuff, will they also "get used" to standard?

If he tried to sell you ocean front property in AZ, you going along with it too?

Thanks Aklim, So I shouldn't buy oceanfront in property in AZ either??

It could have been going but the fact that it got worse right after the change is I guess my question. Sure I neglected it when I shouldn't have, but at this point do I need a new tranny- or a total rebuild, or is this not a full rebuild?

If you could answer that, I am all ears...


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Austin85 03-30-2007 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knightrider966 (Post 1465090)
Total crock that changing a filter and fluid will destroy an older tranny!:behead: If you have problems that show up later, your old fluid/filter was just covering them. A knock in the tranny when going into a higher gear ratio sounds like a loose band slamming a loose gear or clutch disc around. Rebuild it! You will be better off!:scholar:

OK Now I am hearing something with substance....

If this is the case, do you consider what you describe as a total rebuild?

My transmission shoppe quoted me 1500. to rebuild the tranny.

How do I find someone who just knows what to do ; what NOT to do; and just charge me for what is necessary? ANd within 50 miles of Boca Raton, FL.?


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aklim 03-30-2007 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin85 (Post 1465128)
Thanks Aklim, So I shouldn't buy oceanfront in property in AZ either??

It could have been going but the fact that it got worse right after the change is I guess my question.

Sure I neglected it when I shouldn't have, but at this point do I need a new tranny- or a total rebuild, or is this not a full rebuild?

Only if I am selling it, otherwise not. :D

IIRC, an old trick that people used was to switch to Ford ATF for firmer shifts. With the new fluid, the viscosity might be different and so you feel it more.

I don't think you can get a new trans from the factory. They are pretty much all rebuilds. Yes, you can go get it rebuilt by taking it apart and replacing what looks worn but I wouldn't. It would be a little cheaper but then when the old parts wear out, you have to do it again. So, I would go for a full rebuild. When the trans is out, flush the lines. That gets rid of any old fluid with the debris in it.

aklim 03-30-2007 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin85 (Post 1465130)
My transmission shoppe quoted me 1500. to rebuild the tranny.

$1500 and what does it cover? Torque Converter and all the wearable parts in the trans? What about to R&R the trans? Is this a cash job or is there a warranty?

vstech 03-30-2007 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Austin85 (Post 1465028)
My 85 is now in a trannie shop & may need a new one

I changed the fluid & filter about 10 mos ago. properly

The old filter was real dirty. the fluid was pink.

At the time the trannie had a minor knock from 1st into 2nd..

After the change the knock got noticably worse. The fluid level was fine.

Well last weekend something else was real noticeable. MY car won't go any faster than 35 MPH and stays in 2nd or 3rd gear.....


A long time ago a mechanic told me to not change old fluid or filter because it builds up a varnish of sorts that the transmission gets "used to", andif you change it you will ruin your transmission.


I believe him now.


I was just going to start a new thread asking if anyone had any trannie advice for my D.

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hey austin, I know you need one, and I am happy to include a N/A tranny that shifts fine if you want me to when I come down there, but the operative word in your above quote is PINK fluid.
you have a leak in your transmission cooler. get that fixed BEFORE you change out the tranny, or it will have pink fluid in short order.
John

thtguy 03-30-2007 09:59 AM

A buddy of my Dad's owns a transmission shop and he told me that if the tranny fluid smells burnt, IE neglected, you will get more life out of the transmission if you don't touch it, as soon as you change it, it will as another memeber stated "loosens debris and will cause failure."

aklim 03-30-2007 10:11 AM

Burnt fluid means the trans is gone already. I never had a trans that had burnt fluid that lasted for much longer. burnt fluid = living on borrowed time.

However, I question the "old wisdom" since there was never any reliable test done to prove that.


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