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Cited for excessive smoke by SFPD
I drive a 75 300D running on b100. I got pulled over today on Fell Street at
Laguna. I tried to explain to the motorcycle cop that my car is biodiesel and smokes upon excelleration, especially when I'm going uphill. He wasn't buying it and wrote me a fix-it ticket. Grrrrrrrr. Looks like I'll be taking her into the shop soon. Anyone out there have any experience with a similar situation? Did you fight it or fix it? What happened? Thanks for any advice. |
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I'd find where the cop lives, put together a VERY long power point presentation about diesels, biodiesel, diesel emissions, and the like, and make him watch the whole thing, then ask him about the legitimacy of the ticket again.
I'd probably fight it, but it does sound like the car isn't running right. Is the timing/injection/valves all in spec? They usually only smoke like that if something's not right....
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Get one of these and run it by him again.
But seriously, when have diesels ever been smoke-free? Are you required to have it smogged in SF? I've never had to smog any of my diesels, in fact I had to point out to the DMV rep that my E300 was a diesel when I registered it, after she asked to see the smog certificate.
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I would fight it. Has he ever seen a Semi in his life? or is he a complete dumb ass
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Diesels are smog tested via opacity in Denver and surrounding counties. I believe 40% opacity is the limit. If you're smoking enough for a cop to pull you over, something's not right. Have you tried changing your air filter?
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instead of fixing whatever it is, make a presentation and take it to the police station, tell them that b100 is cleaner then normal diesel etc...
screw the police....
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There's no smog in CA for diesels....ironically.
What were the grounds for a ticket? He was probably on his way home... |
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Going up some of those hills in SF your car won't EVER get out of first gear. Of course it going to smoke under that load.
You said it was a fix it ticket so I'd just warm it up first, do an Italian tune up or two, and then take it to the nearest police station that will examine it and show them in the parking lot that it is "cured" (at idle hopefully). If you have to raise the rpm, just do so gradually. BioPower - I had to prove mine was as Diesel too when I first registered it here. Had to show DMV the emissions sitcker under the hood stating fuel type, door sill stickers, and the inside of the fuel filler to provide it didnt have an unleaded flapper. Gal refused to believe it was a diesel. Guess my idle was quieter back then....
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Ha, ha, I drove on Geary under the Fillmore street overpass doing about 60 last night. It was real late at night, no traffic at all, and lots of fun. It would be funny if you phoned a bomb threat into the donut shop at 10th and Clement! Fight the ticket even if the SFPD cops get paid overtime for coming into court It is bs, half of the SFPD lives in Novato anyway
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That's pretty excessive, making you reveal EVERY SINGLE diesel emblem on the car. I just had to show them the diesel sticker under the hood...for the TDI, they didn't even give a rat's a$$ that it never met CA emissions for the 2004 model year.
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CA is even more messed up than I previously thought. Over here all they need is the VIN to tell whether it's a diesel or not. Regarding the smoke, unless you have very low compression on 1 or more cylinder, you can fix the problem and you should regardless of whether you've been pulled over. It's for the benefit of the engine and the air too. Have you tried adjusting the valves? IMO that's the most common cause of smoking old diesels, followed by dirty or worn out injectors. B100 can potentially carbonize the injector tips. If the valve adjustment doesn't improve the smoke, I'd go down to B50 and try some injector cleaner (B100 doesn't work well with injector cleaners). If that still doesn't help, maybe it's time to pull the injectors and test them. It also doesn't hurt to check the injection timing and timing chain stretch. Diesels don't smoke under normal driving conditions if they run properly.
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I would also add that if you can fix your smoking problem and then go to court with the ticket and tell the judge you've fixed the problem, chances are good that the ticket will be dismissed. Did you get a fine with the ticket, or what exactly does it say?
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Thanks for all of the advice.
No fine involved as long as I get the problem fixed within a month. My 75 300D has always smoked a bit. The motorcycle cop was right behind me as I took off to go up the hill as the signal turned green. I guess he didn't like getting a facefull of b100 smoke. Maybe it smelled too much like donuts. He probably was making a quota and couldn't resist some low hanging fruit. Maybe he didn't dig my biodiesel no war required bumper sticker. Who knows. I was in the wrong place at the wrong time I guess.
Since I don't do my own work, no garage or place to work on it, I'll take it to the shop to fix. No smog testing on old diesels here in CA luckily, but they can get you on CA V.C. 27153 Exhaust Products No motor vehicle shall be operated in a manner resulting in the escape of excessive smoke, flame, gas, oil, or fuel residue. The provisions of this section apply to motor vehicles of the United States or its agencies, to the extent authorized by federal law. Amended Ch. 739, Stats. 1971. Operative May 3, 1972. Last edited by stimbox; 09-14-2007 at 02:47 AM. Reason: misspelling |
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I think you nailed it.
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Go fight it, most likley they will wave the fee if "the problem" has been fixed.
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