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KAdams4458 · #31 10-04-2007, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

Fully agreed, thats why I use HDEO Delo 400 or Delvac Super, they represent the best value to me price and performance wise and I can afford to change them at 5000 miles interval as well for all my vehicles.

If you're me, and you run a good bypass system, you find that after 8K to 11K non-synthetics generally start to suffer from viscosity issues. (I have no personal experience yet with Delo or Delvac Super with extended use, yet.) Additives were still good, acidity was as low as the samples of oil fresh from the container, and solids were fantastic. Viscosity just kept getting further away from acceptable, though. That's why I started using synthetics. I also have noticed through the years that synthetics tend to not leave behind as much varnish, especially with extended drain intervals.

In all honesty, I never tested Delo in the gasser. I will next time. I just discovered a guy with the same model car as me that's been running Delo in his, and has 22K on the Delo with no viscosity issues. Hey, that sounds very promising to me.

I do wonder about varnish, though. I hate pulling apart motors that are stuck together with that crap. My Saturn engine, like all the others, are prone to oil coking of the rings, and synthetics do seem to be a proven way to combat that issue with my particular make and model. Not all cars have that problem, though, and most people just dump their oil every 4.5K on average, anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

I guess I'm playing a different game than you guys. For me, synthetic is a proven performer when filtering oil to levels <1 micron. The performance of Delo is such an application remains to be seen, but it could be promising. Most guys posting results are just too hype-ish and snake-oily for me, as they aren't really providing all the details. They all seem to be selling something, and it's either oil, or filters. The only angle I'm working is my own, and I make every effort to avoid skewed results. Ah, good ol' oil and distrust! Isn't the Internet marvelous?

Gurkha · #32 10-04-2007, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KAdams4458

If you're me, and you run a good bypass system, you find that after 8K to 11K non-synthetics generally start to suffer from viscosity issues. (I have no personal experience yet with Delo or Delvac Super with extended use, yet.) Additives were still good, acidity was as low as the samples of oil fresh from the container, and solids were fantastic. Viscosity just kept getting further away from acceptable, though. That's why I started using synthetics. I also have noticed through the years that synthetics tend to not leave behind as much varnish, especially with extended drain intervals.

In all honesty, I never tested Delo in the gasser. I will next time. I just discovered a guy with the same model car as me that's been running Delo in his, and has 22K on the Delo with no viscosity issues. Hey, that sounds very promising to me.

I do wonder about varnish, though. I hate pulling apart motors that are stuck together with that crap. My Saturn engine, like all the others, are prone to oil coking of the rings, and synthetics do seem to be a proven way to combat that issue with my particular make and model. Not all cars have that problem, though, and most people just dump their oil every 4.5K on average, anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

I guess I'm playing a different game than you guys. For me, synthetic is a proven performer when filtering oil to levels <1 micron. The performance of Delo is such an application remains to be seen, but it could be promising. Most guys posting results are just too hype-ish and snake-oily for me, as they aren't really providing all the details. They all seem to be selling something, and it's either oil, or filters. The only angle I'm working is my own, and I make every effort to avoid skewed results. Ah, good ol' oil and distrust! Isn't the Internet marvelous?

I had posted pics of my OM616 turbo as well as HINO engines with valve cover off, I have no deposits, OM616 has 72000 miles, HINO has 200,000 miles apprx, I also have high mileage gensets as well as gas engines on Delo 400, no deposits there, consistent UOAs of Delo has shown very comparable TBN numbers as compared to the expensive synthetics, also viscosity was good as well, point is hydrocracked Delo is made for long haul, they guarantee 25,000 miles drain intervals on big rigs. As for stretching to 11000 miles, even though Delo shows positive numbers in high mileage drain, its not necessary as the low cost enables us to change it at much less intervals than the high cost synthetics.

As for synthetics, I have super high mileage Accord V6 ( 500,000 miles ) fed on Mobil-I from day one of ownership, no deposits in that either, engine is still original so speaks for M-1's performance as well. I do change at 5000 miles interval for the Accord as well.

SynLube · #33 10-09-2007, 02:32 AM

1.) SynLube Lube-4-Life® IS NOT OIL, it is not petroleum oil, it is not synthetic oil, it is certainly NOT a snake oil - it is what we say it is, so READ THIS:

100% Synthetic Colloidal Super Lubricant, that PERMANENTLY Replaces conventional syntehtic or petroleum oils in all applications where MOTOR OIL or GEAR OIL is specified by the OEM.

Read our web - or use any search engine to FIRST learn and read about COLLOIDS.

Then read and learn about TRIBOLOGY.

Then understand what it means when something is CHEMICALLY INERT, i.e. does not react or change - under typical operating conditions.

Then see if you find any person anywhere in the word that USED SynLube that complained about it anywhere - to our knowledge there are "two" such complaints posted in last 12 years, and in both cases it was friend of a friend that sold SynLube to them, we have never got any of the "samples" and it seems in both instances that the "evil" friend after usung SynLube in his own car, sold the refilled bottles (with what ever) to his "friend" - are not friends nice !!!

Neither of the two has ever registered the purchase or received any warranty from SynLube, and only AFTER the fact they have complained, and DID NOT have the used oil ! So again two complainers with not even a proof that they have actually REALLY used our product at all !!!

If you notice we are the ONLY company in the World that buys back the USED OIL for the same price you pay for it, try that with Mobil 1, AMSOIL or what ever oil - they will not even take back NEW UNUSED bottle once you bought it.

So the argument that our oil can be used almost indefinitely, is NOT a requirement if you feel better about it you can change it for FREE as often as you want, and over 400 racing teams do just that almost after every race - and typical engine lasts 12 to 15 runs longer, and race engines typically have life measured in 20 to 50 hours.

Then contact any of the people that have e-mail links on our web and see what they have to say about our products.

My point is that no person anywhere has any right to comment about any product they have NEVER SEEN, and NEVER USED.

I have personally never owned MB, I just do not like them, but that does not allow me to make ANY comments about your cars, new or old.

Yet in USA by Automotive Industry and by GM Research you MB diesel owners are the fringe of a fringe, and driving 1980's cars in 2007 when the industry including the new DAIMLER AG works in 4 to 5 years "cycle" i.e. not even one person at this time cares anything about you in Germany, that is unless the moment the Urea Injection Blue this or that is sold again in USA and ALL OF YOU, immediately junk your old MB's and get the NEW ONE - then trully you will all be a "testers" of the new and not yet proven (by public) emission technology.

By contrast SynLube has been here since 1969 and used in automotive aplications by public since 1985 - so if it does all those horrible things, how come NOT any person has ever complained to FTC ?

There is ZERO at www.ftc.gov about SynLube, yet EVERY oil company and almost all additive companies have been fined millions of $ for false calims and advertising - CASTROL, SHELL, SLICK-50, MOTOR-UP, DURALUBE, on and on....

2.) Over 89% of people in the world do NOT have the latest computers with live video, this and that, so web with too much thrills is just not of any use to majority of the people - some of them our customers.

I am surprised that you compain about 10 year software - which really is Front Page 2004 - when you drive 25 year old cars - should you not up date your ride FIRST before you complain about anything that is not 2008 MY ?

3.) There is link to the AAA test of SynLube on HOME PAGE (www.synlube.com) , and for the record not MB, not Daimler, not any oil company be it EXXONMOBIL, AMSOIL, or what ever has a SINGLE long term vehicle that -
a.) has never had oil change - since test oil installation (in this case 82,000 miles)
b.) has done BEFORE and AFTER FTP-85 test the only one recognized by EPA and CARB both for emissions and fuel economy
c.) has demonstrated that their oil has no NEGATIVE effect on BOTH fuel economy and emissions.

Now if Exxon can spend $40 to $45 million to promote the Mobil 1, and SHELL spends $2 million on FREE tapes and CD's of CW bands for truckers annually - why can not they spend $7,300 to DEMONSTRATE that their oils at least match the performance, even with oil changes of SynLube ?

Think about that one !

Mobil 1 for example had to discontinue the slogan that nothing outperforms Mobil 1 because to FTP they could not offer a SINGLE PROOF to support it !

That is the real life in well lubed fast lane.....

And Hey how come some of you are totally willing to experiment with bio-diesel when MB actually PROHIBITS the use of any bio blend that has more than 2% ? They will actually void warranty on SPRINT VAN if you use B-5.

#34 10-09-2007, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SynLube

1.) SynLube Lube-4-Life® IS NOT OIL, it is not petroleum oil, it is not synthetic oil, it is certainly NOT a snake oil - it is what we say it is, so READ THIS:
...
If you notice we are the ONLY company in the World that buys back the USED OIL for the same price you pay for it.
...
So the argument that our oil can be used almost indefinitely, is NOT a requirement if you feel better about it you can change it for FREE as often as you want, and over 400 racing teams do just that almost after every race - and typical engine lasts 12 to 15 runs longer, and race engines typically have life measured in 20 to 50 hours.
...
Now if Exxon can spend $40 to $45 million to promote the Mobil 1, and SHELL spends $2 million on FREE tapes and CD's of CW bands for truckers annually - why can not they spend $7,300 to DEMONSTRATE that their oils at least match the performance, even with oil changes of SynLube ?

Wee is to smarte too fal 4 yur skam.

heelerguy · #35 10-09-2007, 05:38 AM

If you notice we are the ONLY company in the World that buys back the USED OIL for the same price you pay for it.

Wow, So you must not be making any money. I wish I could live like that.

JackG · #36 10-09-2007, 09:36 AM

I have thought of getting an oil centrifuge for extra cleaning of the oil in the car. Has anyone here done this yet........with good results?

KAdams4458 · #37 10-09-2007, 11:51 AM

Once again, confrontational = bad business practise. The idea is to not tick off potential customers. You can have the best product in the world, but when you come off as a jerk, no one will buy it from you. Also, downgrading other businesses, in this case other oil companies, is also exceptionally poor business practise.

Incidentally, I've seen other posts on other forums posted by what seems to be the same gentleman. They, too, are very confrontational.

...I don't even feel like discussing this. I think we all know to steer clear of bad business, no matter how good or bad a product may be. Right, folks?

Anyway, I look forward to other lubricant discussions with forum members in the future, so long as they don't go in the direction that this one has.

JackG, centrifuge systems are the best of the best for filtration. They can be a bit cost prohibitive, though. Do a little research on your own, and ask lots of questions. You'll find the right system for you, be it a centrifuge, or a media filter.

Hatterasguy · #38 10-09-2007, 01:02 PM

The reason I use Mobil 1 over Amsoil, is because most Amsoil sales guys have come off like jerks to me. This guy is just as bad.

Since your company is so small your product can't be that good.

If you didn't come off as such a jerk you may have picked up a few customers. Very poor business practice indeed.

Richard Eldridge · #39 10-09-2007, 05:41 PM

Since I started this rather weird thread, I must admit I find it stranger than I imagined. I posted the link because I found it interesting, and I thought my fellow Mercedes shopsters might also share this interest.

Amsol is sold in a sort of Amway manner, with me having to pay some person whom I do not know upfront and for rather high shipping charges well, in addition to a higher price than I can buy Mobil 1 for at Wallyworld. I am extremely leery of anything sold in any scheme such as 'multilevel marketing', because as a rule the consumer ends up paying something like four or five times the wholesale price for a typical multilevel-marketed product that could never be four or five times better. So I have never tried Amsoil. If you can't buy it from the company, I imagine that it would be even harder to return a defective product to them. In Multilevel money seems to only go in one direction. So I agree with Hatterasguy about Amsoil.

However, with regard to lubricants in my Diesel car's engine, I am sure that there is eventually a need to change whatever lubricant, because whatever I have used in the past always changes black as night within a few minutes of starting the engine. Perhaps the "Synlube Guy", who has yet to reveal his name, is right about gassers not needing oil changes. He claims that SynLube is black, and I am pretty sure that this must be true.

I made no comments about his software or website. It could be a bit jazzier, but I don't know whether this would be more convincing to buy his product.

I am sorry he dislikes Mercedes Benzes and thinks that we should not be driving our ancient vehicles, no matter how pleasant we find them.

I do not question that SynLube might be better than synthetic or dino oil, and if this guy says that is isn't oil at all, I suppose I will believe that, too. It would be interesting to me to know exactly what it is made of. Something organic, like deceased horses or cattle? (Observe that I did not make any reference to legless reptilians, or liquids derived from same.) Something inorganic, like Halogens, Phosphorous, Sulfur, Carbon, or Boron compounds or a combination of these? Perhaps some vegetable or fruit, such radishes, kumquats, Muskmelons or Pomegranites? Or is it some sort of liquid plastic? We will perhaps never know. Should we be so trusting as to put it in our engines even if we don't know what it is?

Most of the doubts we have about such a product could be dealt with by "Mr SynLube Guy" if he would address exactly what a Mercedes Diesel owner such as one of ourselves might benefit by using his products, and why it is better than all the others.

tarbe · #40 10-09-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 300Turbo

By the way, the W as in 10W-40 means winter viscosity, not weight.

Doesn't it just stand for "Winter" ? And the numerical value is related directly to the cold crank performance at a given temp....

Cervan · #41 10-09-2007, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Eldridge

Since I started this rather weird thread, I must admit I find it stranger than I imagined. I posted the link because I found it interesting, and I thought my fellow Mercedes shopsters might also share this interest.

Amsol is sold in a sort of Amway manner, with me having to pay some person whom I do not know upfront and for rather high shipping charges well, in addition to a higher price than I can buy Mobil 1 for at Wallyworld. I am extremely leery of anything sold in any scheme such as 'multilevel marketing', because as a rule the consumer ends up paying something like four or five times the wholesale price for a typical multilevel-marketed product that could never be four or five times better. So I have never tried Amsoil. If you can't buy it from the company, I imagine that it would be even harder to return a defective product to them. In Multilevel money seems to only go in one direction. So I agree with Hatterasguy about Amsoil.

However, with regard to lubricants in my Diesel car's engine, I am sure that there is eventually a need to change whatever lubricant, because whatever I have used in the past always changes black as night within a few minutes of starting the engine. Perhaps the "Synlube Guy", who has yet to reveal his name, is right about gassers not needing oil changes. He claims that SynLube is black, and I am pretty sure that this must be true.

I made no comments about his software or website. It could be a bit jazzier, but I don't know whether this would be more convincing to buy his product.

I am sorry he dislikes Mercedes Benzes and thinks that we should not be driving our ancient vehicles, no matter how pleasant we find them.

I do not question that SynLube might be better than synthetic or dino oil, and if this guy says that is isn't oil at all, I suppose I will believe that, too. It would be interesting to me to know exactly what it is made of. Something organic, like deceased horses or cattle? (Observe that I did not make any reference to legless reptilians, or liquids derived from same.) Something inorganic, like Halogens, Phosphorous, Sulfur, Carbon, or Boron compounds or a combination of these? Perhaps some vegetable or fruit, such radishes, kumquats, Muskmelons or Pomegranites? Or is it some sort of liquid plastic? We will perhaps never know. Should we be so trusting as to put it in our engines even if we don't know what it is?

Most of the doubts we have about such a product could be dealt with by "Mr SynLube Guy" if he would address exactly what a Mercedes Diesel owner such as one of ourselves might benefit by using his products, and why it is better than all the others.

let me get this straight now. i can change my oil with syn-lube, go 20 thousand miles, and not start to have sludging problems? or the viscosity being too thick?... the sludge and crap thats pushed past the rings and makes our oil that beautiful black-death color that doesnt just go into the air. so if you never change your oil your never going to get rid of that crap? how does this make any sence? even the words best filitering system couldnt filter it all out. and that would be wayyy more expensive than just replacing the damn oil.

Hatterasguy · #42 10-09-2007, 09:01 PM

You can probably run a 617 on any oil for about 25k miles.

I'd love to hear how this amazing oil deals with soot. Because it builds up, and eventualy you need to remove it somehow. No lubricant in the world can handle soot buildup forver.

You can run any synthetic oil forever. All you have to do is filter it, and replenish the additives. So how does his oil get around these two things?

Gurkha · #43 10-10-2007, 04:14 AM

http://forums.noria.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/616604995/m/626103953

Check this out, quite an interesting take there on Synlube.