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Old 10-31-2007, 02:09 PM
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I'd do an E55 AMG conversion on the front end, beef it up a bit. The bigger brakes and stiffer springs should help.

The rear suspension *should* be OK for a bit, they are built to handle the 5.5L V8.
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:34 PM
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1200lb motor in a W210? I see the coronas had a big part of the decision and then the afterthought and the actual installation.

That thing is going to understeer like a crazy mother.
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:54 PM
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Corners will not be that cars friend.
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:07 PM
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has he done any write-ups on his projects? it would be nice to read about the mods hes making to the car other then what can be seen in the pictures.
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:20 PM
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Just thinking a 5.9L in a W140 would be more fitting with a Aurora 5000 turbo and a 4" exhaust. If you have a big a$$ motor might as well put it in a big a$$ car.
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:29 PM
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Basically just making room for the engine, new cross member, relocation of the steering box and steering shaft. Modding the oil pan to get clearance. It is still in the early stages, hasn't yet mounted the motor. Gettin all the coolers up front is going to be the biggest challenge. The truck comes with engine oil, trans, power steering, radiator, and a huge ase intercooler.
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Old 10-31-2007, 06:47 PM
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Just thinking a 5.9L in a W140 would be more fitting with a Aurora 5000 turbo and a 4" exhaust. If you have a big a$$ motor might as well put it in a big a$$ car.
Find S600, remove M120, replace with Cummins. The S600's have self leveling all around so the suspension would compensate.
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Old 10-31-2007, 07:40 PM
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cummins into mb?

that won't work!

700# heavier. the benz motor won't top five hundred, the cummins is about 1200, not to mention the difference in the weight of the trannies. That engine is very heavy and dominates the feel of my 3/4 ton dodge truck which weighs about 7000#, about 60% on the front wheels I imagine. Now you take the mb at 3700 and add 800 on the front wheels and you get about 2650 on the front and about 1850 on the back....what is that? 70% on the front? good luck!

That fellow is seriously misguided....ruining a perfectly good car and probably ruining the cummins as well.

Definately a case of having more money than sense!

He'll be fine until he takes the block out from under the engine that is currently holding it up off the floor.

The whole beauty of a benz is the balance.

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700# heavier. the benz motor won't top five hundred, the cummins is about 1200, not to mention the difference in the weight of the trannies.
Even the BiTurbo V12 only weighs about 490lbs.
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yeah the Biturbo doesn't have 1100 ft lbs of torque
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cummins into mb?

that won't work!

700# heavier. the benz motor won't top five hundred, the cummins is about 1200, not to mention the difference in the weight of the trannies. That engine is very heavy and dominates the feel of my 3/4 ton dodge truck which weighs about 7000#, about 60% on the front wheels I imagine. Now you take the mb at 3700 and add 800 on the front wheels and you get about 2650 on the front and about 1850 on the back....what is that? 70% on the front? good luck!

That fellow is seriously misguided....ruining a perfectly good car and probably ruining the cummins as well.

Definately a case of having more money than sense!

He'll be fine until he takes the block out from under the engine that is currently holding it up off the floor.

The whole beauty of a benz is the balance.

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Even the earlier Dodge trucks had front end problems due to the extra weight when the diesel engine was installed. Then there is the cooling system factor. That car will be worth next to nothing within the year after the suspension is shot, body structure is compromised, drive train problems, and the constant overheating takes its toll on the engine. I've seen this kind of "modification" in the past with too heavy of an engine in a chassis and it turns into a nightmare. (for ex. V8-VW bug, V8 Chevy LUV, V8 MG) A lot of money for short-time fun.
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Old 11-01-2007, 03:26 PM
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yeah the Biturbo doesn't have 1100 ft lbs of torque
Stock no, the trans wouldn't last. The 6L AMG version had just over 1,000ft pounds but they detuned it because it just spun the rears, and beat up the drive line. If you want it back its their, just plug in a laptop. However Brabus, Kleeman, and Renntech versions have much more. Kleeman will pump it to 800hp, and 1,300ft pounds. Top speed is around 220 with that engine.

Brabus put an older M120 V12 into the W210 that was pumped a bit, think it put down 900ft pounds of torque and had 500hp-600hp. Just spun the rear wheels, it did 320+kmh flat out though.

Here are the specs on the 2008 CL65 AMG
MSRP$197,775
Engine AMG-built biturbo 6.0L SOHC 36-valve V-12
Engine Net power 604 hp @ 4,800 rpm
Net torque 738 lb-ft @ 2,000 4,000 rpm

The aftermarket guys can really imporve on those numbers, don't know why you would want more but they can get you more.

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power 544.4 kw / 730 bhp @ 5100 rpm
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Old 11-02-2007, 11:29 AM
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Theft recovery car <$5000 bucks, engine outta wrecked truck <$3000, and lots of spare time thats a pretty good bang for the buck, even if for show purpose.
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NICE!

Which reminds me, I gota start swapping my Cummins 4BT into teh CJ-7. Nissan diesel es smoking lots.
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Old 11-02-2007, 02:21 PM
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Find S600, remove M120, replace with Cummins. The S600's have self leveling all around so the suspension would compensate.
I thought they have rear SLS? SLS on all 4 with coil over? I wonder if the system would handle the extra 800 lbs. It would be like the top Gear cottage on wheels with a poured concrete floor.
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