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Justfacts 11-08-2007 03:24 PM

Once and for all, you engine won't fall apart if you turn it counter clockwise..
 
I was at the Dealership the other day talking to a customer at the Parts Dept. A Mercedes mechanic overheard me tell a customer how to set up to change out his fuel pump . I said if you turn it a few degrees past TDC you can back it up" On that sentence and the mechanic came excitedly running over and said "See, don't listen to just anybody. He's not a Mercedes employee" The customer fled and the mechanic walked away.

I saw him later as I left. I smiled and I intoduced myself and told him I am an engineer by profession and I asked him politely, "Why can't you turn an engine counterclockwise.What's the real reason" He mulled it for a minute...I asked him, "ever see an engine backfire?" He was young--some of these modern gassers never backfire...
We went through the whole scenario about the tensioning device being on the soft side of the belt-and might have to work harder, but otherwise, there is no difference except the oil pump isn't going to put out pressure.
I wouldn't run the engine ccw. But you can turn it ccw.
At least he was man enought to apologize.

ForcedInduction 11-08-2007 05:37 PM

You should NEVER turn the engine CCW for any reason. It can introduce slack into the chain and cause it to skip a tooth. One tooth on the OM6xx diesels is 18*, close enough to possibly cause piston-valve impact.

Even suggesting that it might be okay to turn it CCW is very bad advice.

Brian Carlton 11-08-2007 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Justfacts (Post 1668757)
I wouldn't run the engine ccw. But you can turn it ccw.
At least he was man enought to apologize.

I agree.

Turning it CCW for small increments is not going to harm anything if the chain is under tension.

ForcedInduction 11-08-2007 05:43 PM

You mist beware with that kind of wording. A small increment to you might be 1/4 of a rotation to somebody else.

Brian Carlton 11-08-2007 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction (Post 1668872)
You mist beware with that kind of wording. A small increment to you might be 1/4 of a rotation to somebody else.

1/4 rotation is a small increment. No harm will be done to the engine.

junqueyardjim 11-08-2007 05:53 PM

Beside's that
 
Diesels that are properly assembled and timed to run, do not back fire. Backfire on a gas engine usually comes from a flooded or over fueled cylinder that that fires just as you let off the starter.

tangofox007 11-08-2007 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Justfacts (Post 1668757)
I said if you turn it a few degrees past TDC you can back it up"

Due to backlash, final positioning most definitely should be in the normal direction of rotation.

Hatterasguy 11-08-2007 09:25 PM

Not a good idea on a MB V8 with their really long timing chains!:eek:

You can turn them backwards a bit, as said above about 1/4 of an inch or so.

Brad123D 11-08-2007 09:33 PM

Factory service manual for 615,616,617.91 engines page 05.4-210/3

Subject- Valve adjustment

"Do not turn crankshaft backward"

Justfacts 11-08-2007 10:35 PM

sigghhhhhhhh now i know why
 
sigghhhhhhhh now i know why..............................

Justfacts 11-08-2007 10:35 PM

this one i really loved
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by junqueyardjim (Post 1668887)
Diesels that are properly assembled and timed to run, do not back fire. Backfire on a gas engine usually comes from a flooded or over fueled cylinder that that fires just as you let off the starter.

this one i really loved

Matt L 11-08-2007 10:36 PM

Really now, just how often does a modern diesel engine run in reverse?

lietuviai 11-08-2007 10:39 PM

Never seen one do it. OTH a 2 stroke engine, yes.

Matt L 11-08-2007 10:40 PM

I know that it was possible with the old engines. I don't know if that still applies.

Hatterasguy 11-08-2007 11:05 PM

They used to reverse the old Packards in the PT boats. They didn't have a reverse gear, the engines would have to be stopped and started again. That was pretty commen back then.


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