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Old 11-13-2007, 11:36 PM
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Do we honestly believe that the $20. repair would be less durable over a three year period? From an engineering perspective, do we think the hoses or the clamps can fail in service?

From your comments, it would appear that you believe there is some risk of this occurring. If so, I'd like to analyze what that risk might be. It's not only an exercise.........I may need to do this exact same repair on one of the SDL's and if there is no basis for an objection..........I just might try it myself.
I honestly don't know how much increase in risk there is with a hose clamp. I do occasionally have to tighten cooling system hoses at 1 bar, but I don't know if a catastrophic failure is really credible at 3+ bars. My gut feeling is that the clamp is less reliable than the OEM hose (mostly because the OEM parts do have a pretty good track record). I don't know if a clamp could loosen due to vibration and allow the hose to completely disconnect. If I was going to try a hose/clamp design, I would want a significant safety factor on the pressure rating and I would be checking the clamps pretty frequently for any sign of leakage (at least at first).

When in doubt, I tend to default to my (cost is no object) "what would I do in a critical nuclear safety system design" mode. I also default to keeping things as close to stock as possible, even if I'm the only one who knows about it. Besides, my indy would smack me upside the head if he saw something like that on my car. From my point of view:

DIY hose - $20
OEM hose - $350

Not having to think about hose failures - Priceless

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Old 11-13-2007, 11:37 PM
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It's quite easy to rationalize any expense if you amortize it over 100K miles.
That works for me... frequently.
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Old 11-13-2007, 11:39 PM
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Brian why not just get new line's crimped on? Its pretty cheap, and your SDL's aren't exactly beaters...
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Old 11-13-2007, 11:42 PM
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That works for me... frequently.
Yes, I know.

But, I'm not ready to condone the OE solution as the only possible solution............this engineering degree should allow me to analyze whether the proposed system will be just as durable as the factory.

I certainly realize that the factory hose will likely last over 10 years without any attention.........and that's why they need to use it. The solution with the hose clamps may need attention every three years.........and I'm perfectly fine with that.
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Old 11-13-2007, 11:46 PM
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Brian why not just get new line's crimped on? Its pretty cheap, and your SDL's aren't exactly beaters...
Yes, that's a viable solution if we can find a local fellow to do it. In checking with most hydraulic shops.........metric is not a language that they speak.

You have any shops that can do this.........??
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Old 11-13-2007, 11:48 PM
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It would probably be better under all situations if we had low oil pressure warning buzzers. If a person used this alternative design and added a low oil pressure warning buzzer, the system would be even better than just replacing with OE hoses.
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Old 11-13-2007, 11:55 PM
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I certainly realize that the factory hose will likely last over 10 years without any attention.........and that's why they need to use it. The solution with the hose clamps may need attention every three years.........and I'm perfectly fine with that.
That is probably the bottom line. If you are willing to keep a good eye on them, and you use parts with a healthy design margin, there is no reason it won't work. I would definitely be looking at the clamps at least every oil change, an I probably wouldn't take one eye off the pressure gauge for the first 6 months.

One last thought; are you ever going to sell this car to someone who may not be as diligent?
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Old 11-13-2007, 11:58 PM
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One last thought; are you ever going to sell this car to someone who may not be as diligent?
That would also be a consideration.
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:16 AM
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The solution with the hose clamps may need attention every three years.........and I'm perfectly fine with that.
Yes, but if that "attention needed" happened to be on the highway when you are doing 75mph you probably aren't going to get the chance to repair the situation.
There is no guarantee that you will get drips or seepage prior to a complete blowout......
Of all the places I would be tempted to cut corners, this just couldn't be one of them. That is just me.......
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:21 AM
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There is no guarantee that you will get drips or seepage prior to a complete blowout......
What would be the scenario that would result in a complete blowout?

Would the hose fail?

Would the hose clamps (both of them) fail?

I'm curious as to why this solution seems to have doom attached to it??
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:37 AM
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To allay the fears and doom and gloom, one can always run a test to see how much pressure the double clamps will hold. All you need is a pressure gauge and an air compressor.

I'd use better hose clamps, with one being a constant pressure spring type.
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:39 AM
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Yes, but if that "attention needed" happened to be on the highway when you are doing 75mph you probably aren't going to get the chance to repair the situation.
There is no guarantee that you will get drips or seepage prior to a complete blowout......
Of all the places I would be tempted to cut corners, this just couldn't be one of them. That is just me.......
That's why I am looking into adding a low oil level warning.
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:47 AM
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What would be the scenario that would result in a complete blowout?

Would the hose fail?

Would the hose clamps (both of them) fail?

I'm curious as to why this solution seems to have doom attached to it??
Often hose clamps dig into the material they are clamping. The result could be an oil aneurysm.....
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Often hose clamps dig into the material they are clamping. The result could be an oil aneurysm.....
I'd expect that to occur with time..........hence the need to change the hose every three years or so..........just to be safe.

I don't believe it would occur catastrophically.
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:55 AM
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Often hose clamps dig into the material they are clamping. The result could be an oil aneurysm.....
An aneurysm is a blockage. How can a hose clamp digging into a hose cause a blockage?

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